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Re: Draft thread

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2025 9:56 am
by GoingCommando
I like that Browns trade in the Field Yates mock, except for the fact that Ezeiruaku ends up in Philly 🤮

Re: Draft thread

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2025 9:56 am
by 88Commanders00
I fully expect today to be interesting, though maybe not so much for us.

My hope is that we trade down from 29 and into the Top 5-10 of the 2nd round and also pick up a 3rd or 4th rounder as a 2nd pick, in the trade.

I hope we are just spectators today and trading down for more assets. I think 29 and other late first round spots, are prime positions for teams to trade back up into first round.
Browns and Giants if they don’t trade down and take Hunter and Carter with their picks; may want trade back into first round and take a qb. Other teams in the Top 10 in Rnd 2, may want to do the same thing. Yeah, it maybe over drafting but getting a QB late in the first; gets you the 5th year option.

Right now everyone still has a pick in the first round but I expect some wheeling and dealing today. [/
Hopefully, we are involved in that to.
Have far does Sanders fall? He’s expected to go at 9 to Saints or 21 to Steelers or 26 to Rams. Maybe he falls into 2nd round. If he’s still available after 26; I can see teams wanting to trade back into first round.

Re: Draft thread

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2025 9:59 am
by Jumbo
As we begin this hallowed event, I'm just going to remind us all that in the words of the immortal Firesign Theatre: "Everything You Know is Wrong!"

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Re: Draft thread

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2025 10:03 am
by Warhead36
There are four really good DTs in the draft that should be 1st rounders: Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, Walter Nolen, and Derrick Harmon. Pretty big drop off after that. My hope is all four go before us so it pushes some talent at other positions down but I honestly wouldn't hate picking up one of them at 29 (obviously Graham won't be there but I've seen mocks where all three of the others are).

Imagine a four man front of Payne/Newton/Kinlaw/1st round DT. If we can't stop the run with that we never will.

Re: Draft thread

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2025 10:05 am
by Warhead36
Reg. trading down, there's a good chance the Giants move up from 34 back into the late 1st to get Jaxson Dart. My hope is that nobody else before us takes that trade but they could easily move up with a team picking 25th or 27th or something. That's kinda why I see trading down as being so difficult. Everyone wants to trade down and the Giants(or whomever) could just as easily trade with someone a few picks before us.

Re: Draft thread

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2025 10:11 am
by GoingCommando
skinsinparadise wrote: Thu Apr 24, 2025 7:25 am
Warhead36 wrote: Wed Apr 23, 2025 8:01 pm
I just don't see why/how we'd draft Booker. How the hell is he gonna go out and block on all of our screens, Daniels bootleg RPO stuff, Deebo jet sweeps, etc.? He's a tank in a phone booth but out in space he's useless.
Watching him some more. He's not a fast mover but he hustles in the run game and is a people mover. He sustains blocks in the run game better than most O lineman I've watched. Once he locks in his block, he maintains it, thanks to his power-massive wingspan and massive hands, which helps build creases in the run game. This team ran plenty of power-gap-duo and he's ideal for that.

But definitiely IMO his super power is being a wall in pass protect. Considering its Jayden's blindside and he's our most important asset, having basically an impenetrable left side has clear value especially in this division that has Dexter Lawrence and Jalen Carter. And heck Parsons basically lines up against the weak link often against every O line, he's given our guards fits. So this plays well in our division.

But digesting some of the mocks in the last few days, good news I gather for you, Booker might not be there at 29.
I think Booker is actually a better run blocker than pass blocker. He's high end at both, but I think he's elite at run blocking. It's not just block the guy to the left of you with him, he climbs and pulls at a super high level. Better than Milum by a country mile in this way. Alabama ran tons of counters with Milroe and their backs, and they loved running them right and having Booker be the puller and hit that play side edge/OLB because he was so good at it. These are not scrubs he's getting to, it was guys like James Pearce and Jalen Walker. Booker is a really coordinated/controlled puller and climber that has great accuracy on second level/move blocks. He moves smooth and under control and stays balanced, plus he's an absolute load to deal with for a speedy LBer/edge that's giving up a lot of size to him. It makes them cautious and kind of freeze and brace for impact when they see him coming playside.

I know you're not arguing this, but running a slow 40 =/= being a statue that can't move block. High level move blocking was there in the cut ups. It reminds me of when everyone thought Dawand Jones was slow because he seemed like that type, and then there were snaps of him reach blocking and walling off Jalen Carter in the CFP game. Booker is mobile and coordinated, he's just not good at the 40, and he's not going to sprint out past the hashes and get to the front of playside alley defender blocks unless they're waaay off the line of scrimmage. But those kinds of runs aren't common, he can still hit those blocks field-side to create solid cutback lanes, and we have other athletic linemen/pass catchers who can hit those blocks.

If we get Booker, the only way he's not our Day 1 starter at LG is if he gets hurt during the offseason. That's the value of picking him over most of the other options being linked to us in the first round.

Re: Draft thread

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2025 10:26 am
by Jumbo
skinsinparadise wrote: Thu Apr 24, 2025 9:49 am
McShay

Top Talents Who Could Fall

Michigan CB Will Johnson

Alabama LB Jihaad Campbell

Marshall edge Mike Green

Tennessee edge James Pearce Jr.

Ole Miss IDL Walter Nolen

Oregon IDL Derrick Harmon

I consider the above six guys to be top-20 talents in this draft, which is why I’m shocked to hear how much uncertainty there is about when they will be selected. I can't remember going into a first round with this many high-end players who have such drastically different draft ceilings and floors. (Quote edited)
Kyle Brandt and Tom Pellisaro both saying that they don't remember a draft when there was such widely reported disparity in team's rankings of many players and such unpredictability after the first three picks in many years. They said it was a vibe they have been feeling last night and all this morning so far in Green Bay. McShay thinks the same. Very much a grab bag and one that can hold endless surprises.

Re: Draft thread

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2025 11:23 am
by Jumbo
Skattebo interviewed on GMFB this a.m.: says he played multiple positions during his youth. Can "throw a little, catch a little" and was "tough enough to play defense" and seems like a pretty good level headed sort. Had 284 all purpose yards in peach bowl. Got sick and had the famous "puking scene" during the game because he'd eaten a too greasy omelet earlier. 😄

Re: Draft thread

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2025 11:36 am
by skinsinparadise
GoingCommando wrote: Thu Apr 24, 2025 10:11 am
skinsinparadise wrote: Thu Apr 24, 2025 7:25 am
Warhead36 wrote: Wed Apr 23, 2025 8:01 pm
I just don't see why/how we'd draft Booker. How the hell is he gonna go out and block on all of our screens, Daniels bootleg RPO stuff, Deebo jet sweeps, etc.? He's a tank in a phone booth but out in space he's useless.
Watching him some more. He's not a fast mover but he hustles in the run game and is a people mover. He sustains blocks in the run game better than most O lineman I've watched. Once he locks in his block, he maintains it, thanks to his power-massive wingspan and massive hands, which helps build creases in the run game. This team ran plenty of power-gap-duo and he's ideal for that.

But definitiely IMO his super power is being a wall in pass protect. Considering its Jayden's blindside and he's our most important asset, having basically an impenetrable left side has clear value especially in this division that has Dexter Lawrence and Jalen Carter. And heck Parsons basically lines up against the weak link often against every O line, he's given our guards fits. So this plays well in our division.

But digesting some of the mocks in the last few days, good news I gather for you, Booker might not be there at 29.
I think Booker is actually a better run blocker than pass blocker. He's high end at both, but I think he's elite at run blocking. It's not just block the guy to the left of you with him, he climbs and pulls at a super high level. Better than Milum by a country mile in this way. Alabama ran tons of counters with Milroe and their backs, and they loved running them right and having Booker be the puller and hit that play side edge/OLB because he was so good at it. These are not scrubs he's getting to, it was guys like James Pearce and Jalen Walker. Booker is a really coordinated/controlled puller and climber that has great accuracy on second level/move blocks. He moves smooth and under control and stays balanced, plus he's an absolute load to deal with for a speedy LBer/edge that's giving up a lot of size to him. It makes them cautious and kind of freeze and brace for impact when they see him coming playside.

I know you're not arguing this, but running a slow 40 =/= being a statue that can't move block. High level move blocking was there in the cut ups. It reminds me of when everyone thought Dawand Jones was slow because he seemed like that type, and then there were snaps of him reach blocking and walling off Jalen Carter in the CFP game. Booker is mobile and coordinated, he's just not good at the 40, and he's not going to sprint out past the hashes and get to the front of playside alley defender blocks unless they're waaay off the line of scrimmage. But those kinds of runs aren't common, he can still hit those blocks field-side to create solid cutback lanes, and we have other athletic linemen/pass catchers who can hit those blocks.

If we get Booker, the only way he's not our Day 1 starter at LG is if he gets hurt during the offseason. That's the value of picking him over most of the other options being linked to us in the first round.
Yeah like you I liked Dawand Jones in that draft. I am good with Dawand's run blocking, its just that if you want a Cosmi style 2nd level blocker, running down the field, he's not that guy.

i am attracted to especially for a left guard and in this context of this QB and this division someone who can pass protect on an elite level. I only watched at this point 2 games. And am blown away by his ability to anchor (aside from occasional balance issues), coupled with his massive length-hands.

Am trying to cram a bunch of players at the last miniute. Has PFF pass blocking grade is elite level. His stats as far as sacks giving up (0 in 2 of his three seasons) and hurries is also elite. And the dude played some LT in that mix.

Re: Draft thread

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2025 11:40 am
by skinsinparadise
Jumbo wrote: Thu Apr 24, 2025 11:23 am
Skattebo interviewed on GMFB this a.m.: says he played multiple positions during his youth. Can "throw a little, catch a little" and was "tough enough to play defense" and seems like a pretty good level headed sort. Had 284 all purpose yards in peach bowl. Got sick and had the famous "puking scene" during the game because he'd eaten a too greasy omelet earlier. 😄
I caught most of that. He has a nice draft day set up, cool posters of his play in the background. Kyle Brandt clearly has a man crush on him.

Yeah as far as throwing. He's thrown for TDs. He and RJ Harvey among these WRs would be fun in the wildcat in the pros.