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Re: Draft thread

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:37 pm
by Conn
Fusue has frequently been a nut job over the years (though he’s mellowed the last few), but he’s hit on enough outlier STRONG takes that he’s objectively helped me win multiple dynasty championships. Interesting fellow who for whatever reason has the eye.

In fact just a couple months ago due to his obsession with the player, I spent a late devy pick on incoming freshman RB Ousmane Kromah. That’ll be fun to watch.

Anyways, little nugget on a guy we’ve been connected to (context is Broncos but the medical insight is interesting)


Re: Draft thread

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 7:15 am
by skinsinparadise
McShay this morning.


A. Henderson and Hampton likely in the first worst case, early 2nd, Henderson might go before Hampton, he said watch out for Pittsburgh if they trade down and Washington for both

B. RBs in the first two rounds -- Jeanty, Hampton, Henderson, Judkins, K. Johnson.

C. Don't be surprised if a ton of RBs we expect to go earlier drop to day 3 including Skattebo, Giddens, Harvey, Sampson. Mainly because teams know the position is deep.

D. JT could go in the late first. That echoes by the way how the scouts in McGinn's article came off higher on him than the mock media. I personally like him, plays with energy, great motor, a beast against the run

E. M. Williams likely goes top 10. He think S. Stewart goes earlier than our pick, seemed to suggest somewhere between 10-20. He doubled down that Pearce gets taken too before our pick in spite of the baggage

F. The safeties -- Starks, Nick E. likely go 2nd round

G. Most highly rated corners: W. Johnson, Barron, Hairston. Revel might be liked a little more than Amos both whom likely go early 2nd. A. Thomas is dropping, likely early third because of his lack of speed

H. Teams love Warren and Loveland but Loveland might drop some in the first because of the run on other positions

I. Expects there to be a run on O lineman because of lack of depth. Booker could drop to 2nd. Keim mentioned by the way Booker as a player of interest again for this team on his latest podcast.

Re: Draft thread

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 7:21 am
by skinsinparadise
Warhead36 wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 11:49 am
Our 2nd round pick is a rough spot for a RB. All the real good ones are probably gonna be taken, so we'd be reaching for guys who are more 3rd/4th round types. The money spot would be to trade down from 29 to like late 30s/early 40s if we want someone like Johnson or Henderson. 29 is obviously way too early but I don't think either lasts to the 60s. The best value then is probably someone like Tuten in the 4th round.
Will see, if we are going by mocks (which may or may not be correct), some chance Judkins is there, and decent chance Kaleb Johnson is there.

If so, that's back for many #4, and #5. And some believe, that's the end of the 2nd tier and then there is a drop off.

I am not a big Judkins guy but i do like him. Personally, I think Giddens is in that 2nd tier albiet most mock drafters disagree. And i do like Skattebo albiet not as much as those other guys. Then i like a bunch more in that next tier, the third tier.

Re: Draft thread

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 7:30 am
by skinsinparadise
GoingCommando wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 8:58 pm
My take on Johnson is that he is the spitting image of Joe Mixon. Runs exactly the same way IMO. Upright, decisive, hammers the PoA very early in the run. Easy speed to bounce it outside. Surprisingly good hands. I think his vision and creativity are mediocre, but he runs with such decisiveness and speed that the contact point is very rarely behind the line of scrimmage. But if you bottle up his first read crease then that run isn't going anywhere. Coaches are going to like him though because he stays on schedule and presses the line of scrimmage so hard. Tuten is kind of like a smaller, weaker, but faster version of him.

I think he's a second round value. He's a good back, but not special. Skattebo is special IMO, and I would rank him ahead of Johnson. I definitely love the value of Skattebo in the third or fourth over Johnson in the second, but I think Johnson would still be a good pick in the second. I think we want to transition to a more zone heavy run game and he'd be an obvious and clean fit for this scheme.

To me Skattebo = Ekeler with more strength and the capacity for heavy usage, and I would rather have that than a slightly slower Joe Mixon.
Just the tape you tube videos are great, I watched a bunch of RBs that way multiple times including Kaleb.

I like Kaleb, he feels a bit boom-bust and I lean boom. I agree to an extent with some comps to Tuten but maybe with a slightly different angle on it. IMO both are feisty yet aren't hot at breaking through that first level. They need a block or open space to build momentum more so than some. I mentioned that about Kaleb in a recent post.

A guy like Judkins to me is the opposite. Ditto Jordan James. Ditto Skattebo and to some extent Sampson too who are good at breaking through the line of scrimmage and getting tough yards when there is nothing it seems there. But James, Sampson, Judkins seem to lose momentum after that first breaktough. And its odd with Judkins and Sampson considering they have the speed to take it to the house. Sampson though often gets tough yards against light boxes so not sure how that will translate.

I think Kaleb is as you mentioned decisive and IMO his vision is good once he gets to that 2nd level -- has a wicked stiff arm and good contact balance once he is on the move. He comes off determind to take it to the house and I love that attitude. It's a hard thing to explain but watching some RBs in college and the pros they seem satisfied once they break a decent run and taking it to another level doesn't seem to be part of their psychology.

Tuten clearly is faster than Kaleb and can take it to the house on the next level but also IMO is a dude who needs that block or open space to build momentum. But once he has it watch out. I mentioned Tuten early on as a dude who wasn't getting much notice and I didn't get that. Then the combine came, and he was all the rage after that. Now, he seems forgotten again. But I remain very intrigued by him.

If they wait to the late 4th for a RB: Skattebo would be my guy if he's still there. Followed by Tuten. Am guessing Sampson is gone. Skattebo might be gone too. Giddens is my guy in that 3rd tier but I think he's gone by our pick. Harvey in spite of his age appeals to me too in the late 4th. Harvey to me is a mix of Giddens and Tuten.

Back to Skattebo, I am surprised he doesn't get more mentions from the draft media about his hands and pass catching. He was basically #1 in this class. There is so much focus on his running style and speed and whether it will translate. But in today's NFL, having a dude who can line up wide like Skattebo is a quite the weapon. Heck the dude can throw TD passes, too. We can have fun at the goal line with him.

Harvey is a totally different type of running back but he's another dude who do the wildcat ala Skattebo including throw the ball. He's an ex-QB. Threw a TD at the Senior Bowl.

Re: Draft thread

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 7:49 am
by skinsinparadise
Draft a road grader type guard like Ratledge in the 2nd, take Skattebo in the 4th and all of a sudden we got a Ravens like identity.

Bates, Deebo, Skattebo, Noah Brown. Sounds painful for the opponents.

If you guys recall, when the Eagles were hot in 2023, the 49ers came to Philly and bullied them and beat them good.

I do think that style plays well against Philly. Kyren Williams sans his fumble gave Philly a problem in the playoffs.

Re: Draft thread

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:38 am
by 88Commanders00
Unless we trade down or up, #29 is the lowest drafting position we have had since 1992. Will be a strange feeling, that hopefully we get used to. 1992, coming off our SuperBowl win; we had 2 #1’s. Our own at #28 and another Top 10 pick; which we traded up for Desmond Howard.

The last time we drafted this low, there were only 28 teams.

Re: Draft thread

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:49 am
by GoingCommando
skinsinparadise wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 7:15 am
D. JT could go in the late first. That echoes by the way how the scouts in McGinn's article came off higher on him than the mock media. I personally like him, plays with energy, great motor, a beast against the run
I really like him too. Ever since he got some wins off Skoronski as a young starter, I've thought he's a nice and well rounded player. Super recruit too, so there could be a surprising amount of upside with him.

Ohio State was rich in second round quality last year. Sawyer is definitely a really good player too. Sawyer, Tuimaloa, and Gilotte are all pretty much as good as most of the first round edges being bandied around, and they're the reason I probably would pass on the position in round one. The only guy I love at 29 is Ezeiruaku, and I think he's probably going to get picked earlier in the 20s.

I think Will Howard is pretty good too. Wouldn't be crazy to me if he got picked in the second round. I like him more than Ewers or Milroe.

Just for shits and giggles, my QB rankings would be
1 - Ward
2 - Shedeur
3 - McCord
4 - Dart
5 - Leonard
6 - Howard

Re: Draft thread

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:53 am
by Jumbo
Kyle Brandt on GMFB this a.m. had his top five prospects on his annual "watch list" for rookies most likely to be "angry run" winners this year.

He puts Skattebo at the top of his list and acknowledged jeanty as the top rated back but thinks Skattebo would be his first pick with certain teams schemes and rosters. Loves the guy.

Tom Pellisaro agreed and mentioned Skattebo may not be a monster at 5'9" and 190 lbs but he runs like a monster and tom thinks about 90 of those pounds are in his thigh muscles. 😄

Kyle chose Tyler Warren (no surprise) as the non-rb candidate and mentioned that Warren told him his muse and OG role model for running with the ball was one John "The Diesel" Riggins. And Kyle did a quick film and verbal celebration of #44. 😎👍

Re: Draft thread

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:57 am
by Warhead36
If Tet McMillan drops to like 20 ish, would you trade UP for him? I doubt he will, but a McLaurin/Samuel/McMillan WR trio would be awesome.

Re: Draft thread

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:13 am
by The Consigliere
Conn wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:37 pm
Fusue has frequently been a nut job over the years (though he’s mellowed the last few), but he’s hit on enough outlier STRONG takes that he’s objectively helped me win multiple dynasty championships. Interesting fellow who for whatever reason has the eye.

In fact just a couple months ago due to his obsession with the player, I spent a late devy pick on incoming freshman RB Ousmane Kromah. That’ll be fun to watch.

Anyways, little nugget on a guy we’ve been connected to (context is Broncos but the medical insight is interesting)

He'd be annoyed probably by the comparison, but he's like a more irascible Matt Waldman in terms of outlier takes, and like Waldman, sometimes he's had some grand slam's on long shot prospects he loved, and super hyped top of rookie draft prospects he's hated. Like you, knowing his views has definitely helped me add hugely valuable players at cheap cost, and avoid some major pit falls, once I cross checked his takes w/other guys I trust in the field. Definitely respect his insights, and give even his craziest sounding views a fair hearing.