Extreme Commanders

Warhead36 wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:20 am

There's some good players but other than Jeanty I don't see man slam dunk blue chippers. Compare it to last year where, even without the stacked QB class, you had MH Jr and Nabors at WR, Bowers at TE, and Alt at LT. I just don't see that type of quality this year.

I like the class. I think it's the opposite of last year in that the first round quality is slanted toward defense, but there are still some truly special offensive guys that compare well to the best prospects in last year's class: Travis Hunter, TJ Warren, Kelvin Banks Jr, Will Campbell, Ashton Jeanty. IMO both Banks and Campbell as sophomores in 2023 were better than Joe Alt was in 2023, and I would still put them as OT1 and OT2 if you combined the '24 and '25 OT classes.

I also think Sanders and Ward are better prospects than they get credit for. I think both can be strong NFL starters if they end up in decent situations. But I'm not convinced that includes the Raiders or Giants, and Tennessee is an absolute graveyard for QB careers. Worse than we were in the Snyder era.

I also think Luther Burden is really good and that his stock has been in buy-low territory this year because the Missouri offense regressed.

The strength of the first two days of the class is in DBs and edges/pass rushing IDLs. I wouldn't trade out of 29 unless there is a run on these positions before we pick, but even so, I'd be trading down into the second in order to move our natural second rounder up so we can pick twice in the 40-50 range. If we do that, I think we can draft two day one starters on defense.

Myles Garrett asked to be traded.

The draft picks would be to pricey for us , especially how low we drafting.

GoingCommando wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 11:44 am

Warhead36 wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:20 am

There's some good players but other than Jeanty I don't see man slam dunk blue chippers. Compare it to last year where, even without the stacked QB class, you had MH Jr and Nabors at WR, Bowers at TE, and Alt at LT. I just don't see that type of quality this year.

I like the class. I think it's the opposite of last year in that the first round quality is slanted toward defense, but there are still some truly special offensive guys that compare well to the best prospects in last year's class: Travis Hunter, TJ Warren, Kelvin Banks Jr, Will Campbell, Ashton Jeanty. IMO both Banks and Campbell as sophomores in 2023 were better than Joe Alt was in 2023, and I would still put them as OT1 and OT2 if you combined the '24 and '25 OT classes.

I also think Sanders and Ward are better prospects than they get credit for. I think both can be strong NFL starters if they end up in decent situations. But I'm not convinced that includes the Raiders or Giants, and Tennessee is an absolute graveyard for QB careers. Worse than we were in the Snyder era.

I also think Luther Burden is really good and that his stock has been in buy-low territory this year because the Missouri offense regressed.

The strength of the first two days of the class is in DBs and edges/pass rushing IDLs. I wouldn't trade out of 29 unless there is a run on these positions before we pick, but even so, I'd be trading down into the second in order to move our natural second rounder up so we can pick twice in the 40-50 range. If we do that, I think we can draft two day one starters on defense.

I respect your analysis but lets just say I agree to disagree. There are some good prospects but I see so few true blue elite difference making types.

There is depth and a decent amount of solid to good players but I see very few true blue STAR types.

88Commanders00 wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 12:15 pm

Myles Garrett asked to be traded.

The draft picks would be to pricey for us , especially how low we drafting.

He can be had for less than what media is saying. He’s demanding the trade, not the browns. He’s on the wrong side of 30 and will be needing a new contract as part of stipulations. Also he wants to go to a contender. Contenders don’t pick in the top 10, they pick late.

Warhead36 wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 4:17 pm

GoingCommando wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 11:44 am

Warhead36 wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:20 am

There's some good players but other than Jeanty I don't see man slam dunk blue chippers. Compare it to last year where, even without the stacked QB class, you had MH Jr and Nabors at WR, Bowers at TE, and Alt at LT. I just don't see that type of quality this year.

I like the class. I think it's the opposite of last year in that the first round quality is slanted toward defense, but there are still some truly special offensive guys that compare well to the best prospects in last year's class: Travis Hunter, TJ Warren, Kelvin Banks Jr, Will Campbell, Ashton Jeanty. IMO both Banks and Campbell as sophomores in 2023 were better than Joe Alt was in 2023, and I would still put them as OT1 and OT2 if you combined the '24 and '25 OT classes.

I also think Sanders and Ward are better prospects than they get credit for. I think both can be strong NFL starters if they end up in decent situations. But I'm not convinced that includes the Raiders or Giants, and Tennessee is an absolute graveyard for QB careers. Worse than we were in the Snyder era.

I also think Luther Burden is really good and that his stock has been in buy-low territory this year because the Missouri offense regressed.

The strength of the first two days of the class is in DBs and edges/pass rushing IDLs. I wouldn't trade out of 29 unless there is a run on these positions before we pick, but even so, I'd be trading down into the second in order to move our natural second rounder up so we can pick twice in the 40-50 range. If we do that, I think we can draft two day one starters on defense.

I respect your analysis but lets just say I agree to disagree. There are some good prospects but I see so few true blue elite difference making types.

There is depth and a decent amount of solid to good players but I see very few true blue STAR types.

That's true for almost every class. You get maybe four or five guys who are no-brainier blue chippers per year, although they often don't get picked as high as they should: e.g., Kyle Hamilton, Brock Bowers, Jared Verse, Tyler Linderbaum. Maybe no-brainer isn't the right word because NFL executives routinely screw the evaluations up on these kinds of players. Let's define them as players who have no substantial weaknesses, have brilliant film where they absolutely dominate the college game, and readily project to being elite NFL talent.

This year Warren is almost as good as Bowers was.

Travis Hunter is better than Nabers or Harrison Jr were. He's the most spectacular non-QB college player I've ever seen and he's probably going to be one of the best players in the NFL early in his career. I think people are taking him for granted and underrating him because Colorado wasn't a postseason factor. Jeremiah Smith is probably the only guy who could be WR1 over him if you were to look at everyone in CFB at the position over the last ten seasons or so.

Jeantty is rare and probably second to Saquon in prospect caliber. He's better than Bijan was.

Xavier Watts is better than Kyle Hamilton was. He's the best safety in Notre Dame program history. Is he as good a prospect? Hamilton should have been a top three pick in his class, and a lot of that comes from a size/speed combo Watts can't match, but it's hard for me to ignore the simple fact that Watts was easily better than him on the field. It doesn't make any sense to me how low Watts's draft stock is. He was the best defensive player in college football the past two seasons. He should be an early first round pick. Regardless, he's run our pick to the podium good if he's there at 29.

Malaki Starks as a true freshman was better than Christian Gonzalez was.

Kelvin Banks was the best OT in the country as a 19 year old true sophomore. These guys all feel like no-brainer early first round talents to me, and Will Campbell is almost there for me too. IMO the only major position where there is a big difference in quality from last year at the top of the class is QB.

Looking more at this draft class now and the strengths of the class (RB, Edge, CB) line up perfectly with our needs. Even WR too, there aren't standout blue chip WR1s but a bunch of guys who all look like future WR2s and slot WR3 types.

I'm targeting Treyveyon Henderson at the moment. Kid reminds me of Jahmyr Gibbs and the idea of pairing Daniels with an explosive home run hitting RB for the next 5 years has me excited.

I don't get too deep in the mocks but a couple of names I've seen that the gurus have us targeting at #29 (assuming we keep that pick):

Josh Simmons, OT Ohio State

Omarion Hampton, RB UNC

Matthew Golden, WR Texas

Just based on my limited exposure, I'm sure some of our draft experts here can chime in about these prospects and others that may be a better fit.

My (super early) guys:

James Pearce jr and Mike Green at Edge
Treyveyon Henderson at RB
Luther Barden and Matthew Golden at WR
Xavier Watts at FS

Per Fox Sports

29. Washington Commanders: Mike Green, Edge, Marshall

With veterans Dante Fowler and Dorance Armstrong each pending free agents, the Commanders were likely already looking to boost their pass rush this offseason, but Philadelphia’s big win will have NFC East divisional opponents especially eager to follow suit. Head coach Dan Quinn cut his coaching teeth working on the defensive line, and he could become enamored with the burst, bend and production from Green, who eased concerns about his level of competition with a stellar showing in Mobile.