Draft thread
Good god almighty. 6'6 464 pounds, and that's not a typo? Refrigerator Perry was 6'3 335...he was a freakin' midget compared to this kid. That said, even though he's clearly athletic for his size, there's probably zero chance he has the conditioning to be anything close to that weight and still make it in the NFL. Dude is probably going to need to lose close to 100lbs.
Must sign- If he sits on Barkley's legs in the first quarter, Barkley will be out until the 4th quarter.mistertim wrote: Thu Mar 27, 2025 10:41 pmGood god almighty. 6'6 464 pounds, and that's not a typo? Refrigerator Perry was 6'3 335...he was a freakin' midget compared to this kid. That said, even though he's clearly athletic for his size, there's probably zero chance he has the conditioning to be anything close to that weight and still make it in the NFL. Dude is probably going to need to lose close to 100lbs.
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GoingCommando
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Watts had a meh Pro-Day: 4.56 40, 35" vertical, 9'10" broad. Not bad numbers, but not anything that will get him noticed. Kyle Hamilton ran a little slower, but he had better jumps and size so his RAS was still elite. Even still, you have to acknowledge that his 40 time probably dropped him like 10 spots in that draft.
I think it's a lock that Watts goes in the second round or later, and it might not be early second round. I am really hoping Shedeur drops to our pick and we can use him to move down into the second, get Watts, and add mid round capital.
I think it's a lock that Watts goes in the second round or later, and it might not be early second round. I am really hoping Shedeur drops to our pick and we can use him to move down into the second, get Watts, and add mid round capital.
I think 29 is a good spot. I could see several teams moving up and with the positions we need, moving back up to 10 spots, will not hurt us. We could pick up a late 3rd or a 4th and 5th. I think that gives us a good edge, safety and my guess is we pick up a good RB in the 4th or 5th. Also, some flexibility as there is an extra draft choice - either a 3rd or 4th.
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Not all that surprising. I don't think anyone was ever going to mistake Watts for an athletic freak. He's a cerebral player who knows the ins and outs of the WR position because he played it for a long time. So-so tackler, but a ball hawk because of that receiving experience. I'd probably be ok with taking him with our low 2nd but probably not our high one if we were to trade back.GoingCommando wrote: Fri Mar 28, 2025 12:45 pmWatts had a meh Pro-Day: 4.56 40, 35" vertical, 9'10" broad. Not bad numbers, but not anything that will get him noticed. Kyle Hamilton ran a little slower, but he had better jumps and size so his RAS was still elite. Even still, you have to acknowledge that his 40 time probably dropped him like 10 spots in that draft.
I think it's a lock that Watts goes in the second round or later, and it might not be early second round. I am really hoping Shedeur drops to our pick and we can use him to move down into the second, get Watts, and add mid round capital.
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skinsinparadise
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Donte Thornton. 6'5, ran a 4.3. Some sick numbers. 25 plus YPC. 10 plus YAC. high character. Good run blocker.
He won't guy high because of small sample, late breakout guy. Not a deep route tree. But i'd roll the dice in the mid rounds.
some love to talk up how Dyami brought speed for 3rd level plays. Mid 4.4's for a dude that isn't big, isn't that much of a speedster for the deep ball. This dude has real size, real speed. Could be a poor man's Brian Thomas.
He won't guy high because of small sample, late breakout guy. Not a deep route tree. But i'd roll the dice in the mid rounds.
some love to talk up how Dyami brought speed for 3rd level plays. Mid 4.4's for a dude that isn't big, isn't that much of a speedster for the deep ball. This dude has real size, real speed. Could be a poor man's Brian Thomas.
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The Consigliere
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Coming in exclusively from a dynasty perspective for the most part.
My objective:
If Hampton is there at 1.29 (he won't be), I'd take him over anything else to settle our RB position. If not I take Judkins or trade down. I fear they want overage Trey Henderson.
In terms of potential WR targets:
Tre Harris
Jaylin Noel.
Not really interested in anyone else, Tet and Burden will be gone before we pick, Egbuka is too limited to be worth the draft capital, Golden is boom bust and I expect him to go in the top 15-25 zone.
TE options:
This draft has some really interesting options, but we took Sinnott last year, and resigned Ertz. With so little draft capital to begin with, even though I like Loveland, Fanin, Arroyo, Ferguson and others to some extent, I wouldn't do it (I don't like Warren, he's gonna go super early, so we can't get him anyway, and he is an OLD prospect, turns 24 after his rookie season supposedly. Yikes, Loveland is a good 2 full years younger.
Consider the RB classes of '26 and '27 are supposed to suck (WR in '27 is supposed to be fabulous), this is the draft to land our next RB, but we've traded away a ton of draft capital:
My targets:
Round 1:
Omarion Hampton
Q. Judkins
Round 2:
I'd trade down rather than take Trey Henderson, I'm not sure Kaleb is athletic enough, we know Skattebo is an interesting guy, but historically you need to tack on an extra .05 to any pro day 40, as they are juiced tracks with stop watches rather than laser times as well (generally), so his # is more likely 4.57-4.63 if he had run in Inday. Which is basically right at the cusp of undraftable alongside Ollie Gordon who looked like a monster in '23, but a slug in '24/'25.
My targets if we miss out on Hampton and Judkins (and I think we will): Go for athleticism with guys like Dylan Sampson, B. Tuten, and DJ Giddens. Trey is athletic enough but old, and may be a committee back at the next level, Skattebo is even older and infinitely less athletic, Kaleb is a real boom bust type, not sure if he's athletic enough, he's a dice role. I have security in Hampton and Judkins who both have the size, and the athleticism, and both are reasonably young, Judkins is fine at 21, Hampton is closer to Trey's age, but he just turned 22, Trey will turn 23 during the season.
I think at the end of the day, I'd work really hard to get Hampton or Judkins, failing that, I'd trade down, and target Tuten, or Giddens, with Sampson as another guy, maybe Kaleb if I was convinced he could do the job. RJ Harvey would be interesting if he wasn't so damn old. Dude is already freaking 24, which takes him off my board entirely.
I have a feeling they'll go after Henderson, who I'd hate selecting, but if we can come out of this draft with Hampton (I think he goes before our first), or Judkins, or Henderson I'd range from ecstatic to accepting, after that it gets a lot harder, with only Kaleb, looking like a reasonably strong bet, and I think I'd rather role the dice on a Giddens or Tuten or Sampson later in the draft, than take Kaleb or Trey in round 2. Will be interesting to see what they do. I'd be utterly stunned if we don't come out of this draft with somebody.
My stay aways, that I'd be really either bummed or disappointed taking:
Henderson (age, and committee issues and draft capital cost). I would have liked him better as a round 2 pick for us last year when he could have come out but inexplicably stayed another year.
Kaleb Johnson: As previously mentioned, his combine was meh, not horrible, but with so many hyperathletic RB's, he got thrown in the hamper with Ollie Gordon. Not really fair, Gordon was much worse, but it is concerning. I can't find any info on Kaleb's performance at his Pro Day or even if he participated. I'm interested as he only ran from what I can tell, at the combine. In fairness to Kaleb, I could probably talk myself into him.
Cam Skattebo: My heart would love this guy, he's basically a local for me, playing with Sac State, just 2 hours from I live, a few years ago. I want the guy to exceed, but he's already notched the "old" issue and he's not terrible "twitchy" as an athlete. His #'s suggest he sits right on the edge of making it, or not, due to the athletic limitations. I'd rather someone else draft him, and just watch from afar, especially a team I don't hate.
It's funny because I know I could talk myself into liking any of these 3 guys, but in the end, these are the guys I'm most scared of that are typically tanked top 7-8 in the RB class.
Ollie Gordon is a weird one, his season in '23 made him looked like a late day 1 or day 2 talent, his '24 and combine (i cant believe his agents let him run) make him seem like an undrafted free agent level talent (though he'll get drafted by somebody).
We'll see. Suffice it to say, I'll be totally shocked if we don't take one of the top 10-12 guys at the position in this draft. The need is quite stark, and with the '26 and '27 class looking disappointing, we have to address it, particularly considering that Brian Robinson hits the age cliff this year. Yikes.
My objective:
If Hampton is there at 1.29 (he won't be), I'd take him over anything else to settle our RB position. If not I take Judkins or trade down. I fear they want overage Trey Henderson.
In terms of potential WR targets:
Tre Harris
Jaylin Noel.
Not really interested in anyone else, Tet and Burden will be gone before we pick, Egbuka is too limited to be worth the draft capital, Golden is boom bust and I expect him to go in the top 15-25 zone.
TE options:
This draft has some really interesting options, but we took Sinnott last year, and resigned Ertz. With so little draft capital to begin with, even though I like Loveland, Fanin, Arroyo, Ferguson and others to some extent, I wouldn't do it (I don't like Warren, he's gonna go super early, so we can't get him anyway, and he is an OLD prospect, turns 24 after his rookie season supposedly. Yikes, Loveland is a good 2 full years younger.
Consider the RB classes of '26 and '27 are supposed to suck (WR in '27 is supposed to be fabulous), this is the draft to land our next RB, but we've traded away a ton of draft capital:
My targets:
Round 1:
Omarion Hampton
Q. Judkins
Round 2:
I'd trade down rather than take Trey Henderson, I'm not sure Kaleb is athletic enough, we know Skattebo is an interesting guy, but historically you need to tack on an extra .05 to any pro day 40, as they are juiced tracks with stop watches rather than laser times as well (generally), so his # is more likely 4.57-4.63 if he had run in Inday. Which is basically right at the cusp of undraftable alongside Ollie Gordon who looked like a monster in '23, but a slug in '24/'25.
My targets if we miss out on Hampton and Judkins (and I think we will): Go for athleticism with guys like Dylan Sampson, B. Tuten, and DJ Giddens. Trey is athletic enough but old, and may be a committee back at the next level, Skattebo is even older and infinitely less athletic, Kaleb is a real boom bust type, not sure if he's athletic enough, he's a dice role. I have security in Hampton and Judkins who both have the size, and the athleticism, and both are reasonably young, Judkins is fine at 21, Hampton is closer to Trey's age, but he just turned 22, Trey will turn 23 during the season.
I think at the end of the day, I'd work really hard to get Hampton or Judkins, failing that, I'd trade down, and target Tuten, or Giddens, with Sampson as another guy, maybe Kaleb if I was convinced he could do the job. RJ Harvey would be interesting if he wasn't so damn old. Dude is already freaking 24, which takes him off my board entirely.
I have a feeling they'll go after Henderson, who I'd hate selecting, but if we can come out of this draft with Hampton (I think he goes before our first), or Judkins, or Henderson I'd range from ecstatic to accepting, after that it gets a lot harder, with only Kaleb, looking like a reasonably strong bet, and I think I'd rather role the dice on a Giddens or Tuten or Sampson later in the draft, than take Kaleb or Trey in round 2. Will be interesting to see what they do. I'd be utterly stunned if we don't come out of this draft with somebody.
My stay aways, that I'd be really either bummed or disappointed taking:
Henderson (age, and committee issues and draft capital cost). I would have liked him better as a round 2 pick for us last year when he could have come out but inexplicably stayed another year.
Kaleb Johnson: As previously mentioned, his combine was meh, not horrible, but with so many hyperathletic RB's, he got thrown in the hamper with Ollie Gordon. Not really fair, Gordon was much worse, but it is concerning. I can't find any info on Kaleb's performance at his Pro Day or even if he participated. I'm interested as he only ran from what I can tell, at the combine. In fairness to Kaleb, I could probably talk myself into him.
Cam Skattebo: My heart would love this guy, he's basically a local for me, playing with Sac State, just 2 hours from I live, a few years ago. I want the guy to exceed, but he's already notched the "old" issue and he's not terrible "twitchy" as an athlete. His #'s suggest he sits right on the edge of making it, or not, due to the athletic limitations. I'd rather someone else draft him, and just watch from afar, especially a team I don't hate.
It's funny because I know I could talk myself into liking any of these 3 guys, but in the end, these are the guys I'm most scared of that are typically tanked top 7-8 in the RB class.
Ollie Gordon is a weird one, his season in '23 made him looked like a late day 1 or day 2 talent, his '24 and combine (i cant believe his agents let him run) make him seem like an undrafted free agent level talent (though he'll get drafted by somebody).
We'll see. Suffice it to say, I'll be totally shocked if we don't take one of the top 10-12 guys at the position in this draft. The need is quite stark, and with the '26 and '27 class looking disappointing, we have to address it, particularly considering that Brian Robinson hits the age cliff this year. Yikes.