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China wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 9:27 am
This Project 2025 crap is out of control:

ENDING RADICAL INDOCTRINATION IN K-12 SCHOOLING

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered:

Section 1. Purpose and Policy. Parents trust America’s schools to provide their children with a rigorous education and to instill a patriotic admiration for our incredible Nation and the values for which we stand.
In recent years, however, parents have witnessed schools indoctrinate their children in radical, anti-American ideologies while deliberately blocking parental oversight. Such an environment operates as an echo chamber, in which students are forced to accept these ideologies without question or critical examination. In many cases, innocent children are compelled to adopt identities as either victims or oppressors solely based on their skin color and other immutable characteristics. In other instances, young men and women are made to question whether they were born in the wrong body and whether to view their parents and their reality as enemies to be blamed. These practices not only erode critical thinking but also sow division, confusion, and distrust, which undermine the very foundations of personal identity and family unity.

Imprinting anti-American, subversive, harmful, and false ideologies on our Nation’s children not only violates longstanding anti-discrimination civil rights law in many cases, but usurps basic parental authority. For example, steering students toward surgical and chemical mutilation without parental consent or involvement or allowing males access to private spaces designated for females may contravene Federal laws that protect parental rights, including the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) and the Protection of Pupil Rights Amendment (PPRA), and sex-based equality and opportunity, including Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 (Title IX). Similarly, demanding acquiescence to “White Privilege” or “unconscious bias,” actually promotes racial discrimination and undermines national unity.

My Administration will enforce the law to ensure that recipients of Federal funds providing K-12 education comply with all applicable laws prohibiting discrimination in various contexts and protecting parental rights, including Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VI), 42 U.S.C. 2000d et seq.; Title IX, 20 U.S.C. 1681 et seq.; FERPA, 20 U.S.C. 1232g; and the PPRA, 20 U.S.C. 1232h.

Sec. 2. Definitions. As used herein:
(a) The definitions in the Executive Order “Defending Women from Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government” (January 20, 2025) shall apply to this order.
(b) “Discriminatory equity ideology” means an ideology that treats individuals as members of preferred or disfavored groups, rather than as individuals, and minimizes agency, merit, and capability in favor of immoral generalizations, including that:
(i) Members of one race, color, sex, or national origin are morally or inherently superior to members of another race, color, sex, or national origin;
(ii) An individual, by virtue of the individual’s race, color, sex, or national origin, is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously;
(iii) An individual’s moral character or status as privileged, oppressing, or oppressed is primarily determined by the individual’s race, color, sex, or national origin;
(iv) Members of one race, color, sex, or national origin cannot and should not attempt to treat others without respect to their race, color, sex, or national origin;
(v) An individual, by virtue of the individual’s race, color, sex, or national origin, bears responsibility for, should feel guilt, anguish, or other forms of psychological distress because of, should be discriminated against, blamed, or stereotyped for, or should receive adverse treatment because of actions committed in the past by other members of the same race, color, sex, or national origin, in which the individual played no part;
(vi) An individual, by virtue of the individual’s race, color, sex, or national origin, should be discriminated against or receive adverse treatment to achieve diversity, equity, or inclusion;
(vii) Virtues such as merit, excellence, hard work, fairness, neutrality, objectivity, and racial colorblindness are racist or sexist or were created by members of a particular race, color, sex, or national origin to oppress members of another race, color, sex, or national origin; or
(viii) the United States is fundamentally racist, sexist, or otherwise discriminatory.
(c) “Educational service agency” (ESA) has the meaning given in 20 U.S.C. 1401(5), and the terms “elementary school,” “local educational agency” (LEA), “secondary school,” and “state educational agency” (SEA) have the meanings given in 34 C.F.R. 77.1(c).
(d) “Patriotic education” means a presentation of the history of America grounded in:
(i) an accurate, honest, unifying, inspiring, and ennobling characterization of America’s founding and foundational principles;
(ii) a clear examination of how the United States has admirably grown closer to its noble principles throughout its history;
(iii) the concept that commitment to America’s aspirations is beneficial and justified; and
(iv) the concept that celebration of America’s greatness and history is proper.
(e) “Social transition” means the process of adopting a “gender identity” or “gender marker” that differs from a person’s sex. This process can include psychological or psychiatric counseling or treatment by a school counselor or other provider; modifying a person’s name (e.g., “Jane” to “James”) or pronouns (e.g., “him” to “her”); calling a child “nonbinary”; use of intimate facilities and accommodations such as bathrooms or locker rooms specifically designated for persons of the opposite sex; and participating in school athletic competitions or other extracurricular activities specifically designated for persons of the opposite sex. “Social transition” does not include chemical or surgical mutilation.
Sec. 3. Ending Indoctrination Strategy.
(i) eliminating Federal funding or support for illegal and discriminatory treatment and indoctrination in K-12 schools, including based on gender ideology and discriminatory equity ideology; and
Sec. 4. Reestablishing the President’s Advisory 1776 Commission and Promoting Patriotic Education. (a) The President’s Advisory 1776 Commission (“1776 Commission”), which was created by Executive Order 13958 of November 2, 2020, to promote patriotic education, but was terminated by President Biden in Executive Order 13985 of January 20, 2021, is hereby reestablished. The purpose of the 1776 Commission is to promote patriotic education and advance the purposes stated in section 1 of Executive Order 13958, as well as to advise and promote the work of the White House Task Force on Celebrating America’s 250th Birthday (“Task Force 250”) and the United States Semiquincentennial Commission in their efforts to provide a grand celebration worthy of the momentous occasion of the 250th anniversary of American Independence on July 4, 2026.

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Re-education camps are coming...
The interesting thing about this is that I wouldn't have a problem with it if the language was written to end indoctrination of fascism, anti-democratic ideas, and lies, i.e., propaganda education. As with a lot of Grand Oligarch's Party policy, this is specifically designed do the opposite of what the words actually say by creating ambiguity to implement all sorts of right-wing fascist garbage. Weimar USA!
The essence of fascism is to make laws forbidding everything and then enforce them selectively against your enemies. -John LesCroart
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This podcast will make you depressed. Voters love what Trump is doing. Of course, they haven’t felt the negative consequences of Trump’s policies and actions.

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88Commanders00 wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 12:01 am
This podcast will make you depressed. Voters love what Trump is doing. Of course, they haven’t felt the negative consequences of Trump’s policies and actions.

Of course, they're stupid. Like I said before, a lot of people don't actually follow politics, they have no idea what is going on or what their vote means. Luckily, one thing that does make me feel better, is that the tariffs from Mexico and Cananda are targeting red states. They're hitting the red states right in their bread and butter, puts GOP leaders like Thune and Johnson in a difficult place: stand with Trump or stand with your state. Add to the fact that Trump's tariffs will effect EVERYONE...maga gets hit twice.

Oh yeah, also add to the fact that Musk is robbing the treasury blind and these people won't get their assistance soon. Three financial strikes hitting maga, they can say they like it all they want, but we see and it won't take long.

On a different note, I live in a maga area and they have been very quiet lately. They're not too quick to defend their guy, people have always been tired of them, but wait until economic hardship comes to us all. They will think twice about flying any flags...which I have also not seen a lot of lately.
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Simmsy wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 7:26 am
88Commanders00 wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 12:01 am
This podcast will make you depressed. Voters love what Trump is doing. Of course, they haven’t felt the negative consequences of Trump’s policies and actions.

Of course, they're stupid. Like I said before, a lot of people don't actually follow politics, they have no idea what is going on or what their vote means. Luckily, one thing that does make me feel better, is that the tariffs from Mexico and Cananda are targeting red states. They're hitting the red states right in their bread and butter, puts GOP leaders like Thune and Johnson in a difficult place: stand with Trump or stand with your state. Add to the fact that Trump's tariffs will effect EVERYONE...maga gets hit twice.

Oh yeah, also add to the fact that Musk is robbing the treasury blind and these people won't get their assistance soon. Three financial strikes hitting maga, they can say they like it all they want, but we see and it won't take long.

On a different note, I live in a maga area and they have been very quiet lately. They're not too quick to defend their guy, people have always been tired of them, but wait until economic hardship comes to us all. They will think twice about flying any flags...which I have also not seen a lot of lately.
I've said it before, I'll say it again...the hardcore MAGAs...most of them aren't going to have that come to Jesus moment. We all want to see them learn from their mistakes, admit that they were wrong, and have them all of a sudden be like "Damn, you guys were right all along. **** Donald Trump, I'm voting blue next time."

That's the wet dream for the anti-MAGAs. But I think a lot of them are going to dig their heels in and make excuses for Trump instead of admitting that he was a poor choice. You don't have to look far, the excuses are already piling up on Twitter. Talk to some MAGAs, they'll tell you, too... "He was set up to fail, no one could have saved us from this," "It's all Biden's fault, he dug a hole so big that Trump can't do anything to get it right..." etc, etc.

They will blame Biden again and again and again before laying any blame at Trump's feet. IMO, it's not just politics, but politics is the perfect arena for the human need to dig heels in, not look at any evidence that points to the contrary and not accept blame for things that have gone bad.

You might not notice that they're not quick to defend him, but that's not an endorsement for the other side's views.

There's a chance that a small, small percentage of them will admit they were wrong, but by and large I think they dig in their heels and assess blame to Biden.
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Spaceman Spiff wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:42 am
Simmsy wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 7:26 am
88Commanders00 wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 12:01 am
This podcast will make you depressed. Voters love what Trump is doing. Of course, they haven’t felt the negative consequences of Trump’s policies and actions.

Of course, they're stupid. Like I said before, a lot of people don't actually follow politics, they have no idea what is going on or what their vote means. Luckily, one thing that does make me feel better, is that the tariffs from Mexico and Cananda are targeting red states. They're hitting the red states right in their bread and butter, puts GOP leaders like Thune and Johnson in a difficult place: stand with Trump or stand with your state. Add to the fact that Trump's tariffs will effect EVERYONE...maga gets hit twice.

Oh yeah, also add to the fact that Musk is robbing the treasury blind and these people won't get their assistance soon. Three financial strikes hitting maga, they can say they like it all they want, but we see and it won't take long.

On a different note, I live in a maga area and they have been very quiet lately. They're not too quick to defend their guy, people have always been tired of them, but wait until economic hardship comes to us all. They will think twice about flying any flags...which I have also not seen a lot of lately.
I've said it before, I'll say it again...the hardcore MAGAs...most of them aren't going to have that come to Jesus moment. We all want to see them learn from their mistakes, admit that they were wrong, and have them all of a sudden be like "Damn, you guys were right all along. **** Donald Trump, I'm voting blue next time."

That's the wet dream for the anti-MAGAs. But I think a lot of them are going to dig their heels in and make excuses for Trump instead of admitting that he was a poor choice. You don't have to look far, the excuses are already piling up on Twitter. Talk to some MAGAs, they'll tell you, too... "He was set up to fail, no one could have saved us from this," "It's all Biden's fault, he dug a hole so big that Trump can't do anything to get it right..." etc, etc.

They will blame Biden again and again and again before laying any blame at Trump's feet. IMO, it's not just politics, but politics is the perfect arena for the human need to dig heels in, not look at any evidence that points to the contrary and not accept blame for things that have gone bad.

You might not notice that they're not quick to defend him, but that's not an endorsement for the other side's views.

There's a chance that a small, small percentage of them will admit they were wrong, but by and large I think they dig in their heels and assess blame to Biden.
I've given up on them coming to our side, doesn't mean they don't regret their vote. Hell, I've heard the defenses too, but they're weak and I don't even think they believe him. I don't want their vote anymore, I want them to feel stupid, even if they don't admit it to the world.

Mark Cuban seems to think that we need to be nice to them, for when the "woke" moment comes it will be easier to accept them...I don't want them. When even more of their friends/family/strangers harangue, abandon and laugh at them, remind them why over and over again. They can try to make all excuses they want, but those excuses won't put food on the table.
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Spaceman Spiff wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:42 am
Simmsy wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 7:26 am
88Commanders00 wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 12:01 am
This podcast will make you depressed. Voters love what Trump is doing. Of course, they haven’t felt the negative consequences of Trump’s policies and actions.

Of course, they're stupid. Like I said before, a lot of people don't actually follow politics, they have no idea what is going on or what their vote means. Luckily, one thing that does make me feel better, is that the tariffs from Mexico and Cananda are targeting red states. They're hitting the red states right in their bread and butter, puts GOP leaders like Thune and Johnson in a difficult place: stand with Trump or stand with your state. Add to the fact that Trump's tariffs will effect EVERYONE...maga gets hit twice.

Oh yeah, also add to the fact that Musk is robbing the treasury blind and these people won't get their assistance soon. Three financial strikes hitting maga, they can say they like it all they want, but we see and it won't take long.

On a different note, I live in a maga area and they have been very quiet lately. They're not too quick to defend their guy, people have always been tired of them, but wait until economic hardship comes to us all. They will think twice about flying any flags...which I have also not seen a lot of lately.
I've said it before, I'll say it again...the hardcore MAGAs...most of them aren't going to have that come to Jesus moment. We all want to see them learn from their mistakes, admit that they were wrong, and have them all of a sudden be like "Damn, you guys were right all along. **** Donald Trump, I'm voting blue next time."

That's the wet dream for the anti-MAGAs. But I think a lot of them are going to dig their heels in and make excuses for Trump instead of admitting that he was a poor choice. You don't have to look far, the excuses are already piling up on Twitter. Talk to some MAGAs, they'll tell you, too... "He was set up to fail, no one could have saved us from this," "It's all Biden's fault, he dug a hole so big that Trump can't do anything to get it right..." etc, etc.

They will blame Biden again and again and again before laying any blame at Trump's feet. IMO, it's not just politics, but politics is the perfect arena for the human need to dig heels in, not look at any evidence that points to the contrary and not accept blame for things that have gone bad.

You might not notice that they're not quick to defend him, but that's not an endorsement for the other side's views.

There's a chance that a small, small percentage of them will admit they were wrong, but by and large I think they dig in their heels and assess blame to Biden.
MAGA will never change. They are lost forever. What you hope is the non maga Trump voters- Republicans, Democrats, Independents see the light . That’s all you can get.
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88Commanders00 wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 12:24 pm
Spaceman Spiff wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:42 am
Simmsy wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 7:26 am


Of course, they're stupid. Like I said before, a lot of people don't actually follow politics, they have no idea what is going on or what their vote means. Luckily, one thing that does make me feel better, is that the tariffs from Mexico and Cananda are targeting red states. They're hitting the red states right in their bread and butter, puts GOP leaders like Thune and Johnson in a difficult place: stand with Trump or stand with your state. Add to the fact that Trump's tariffs will effect EVERYONE...maga gets hit twice.

Oh yeah, also add to the fact that Musk is robbing the treasury blind and these people won't get their assistance soon. Three financial strikes hitting maga, they can say they like it all they want, but we see and it won't take long.

On a different note, I live in a maga area and they have been very quiet lately. They're not too quick to defend their guy, people have always been tired of them, but wait until economic hardship comes to us all. They will think twice about flying any flags...which I have also not seen a lot of lately.
I've said it before, I'll say it again...the hardcore MAGAs...most of them aren't going to have that come to Jesus moment. We all want to see them learn from their mistakes, admit that they were wrong, and have them all of a sudden be like "Damn, you guys were right all along. **** Donald Trump, I'm voting blue next time."

That's the wet dream for the anti-MAGAs. But I think a lot of them are going to dig their heels in and make excuses for Trump instead of admitting that he was a poor choice. You don't have to look far, the excuses are already piling up on Twitter. Talk to some MAGAs, they'll tell you, too... "He was set up to fail, no one could have saved us from this," "It's all Biden's fault, he dug a hole so big that Trump can't do anything to get it right..." etc, etc.

They will blame Biden again and again and again before laying any blame at Trump's feet. IMO, it's not just politics, but politics is the perfect arena for the human need to dig heels in, not look at any evidence that points to the contrary and not accept blame for things that have gone bad.

You might not notice that they're not quick to defend him, but that's not an endorsement for the other side's views.

There's a chance that a small, small percentage of them will admit they were wrong, but by and large I think they dig in their heels and assess blame to Biden.
MAGA will never change. They are lost forever. What you hope is the non maga Trump voters- Republicans, Democrats, Independents see the light . That’s all you can get.
^^This. As for the rest, I don’t care about them changing their minds. I’m content to laugh and watch them suffer as they excuse the one responsible. All I’ve got left is schadenfreude and pettiness. I intend to lean in on both.
The essence of fascism is to make laws forbidding everything and then enforce them selectively against your enemies. -John LesCroart
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