Living under Trump 2

[Simmsy]

Fucking disgusting. I was doomscrolling on Twitter last night and I saw some of them tweeting about how they'd been pardoned. And the conservatives cheering them on, telling them how happy they were for them.

The double standards are just absurd. If the shoe were on the other foot, if the roles had been reversed and it were Democrats that stormed the capitol on J6, the conservatives, aka the "law and order" group would be fit to be tied. I mean, they blame antifa as liberals who rioted and looted cities and want those people brought to justice but they want to look the other way on J6.

It's more of "our team's good, your team's bad" and it's ridiculous.

I'm calling civil unrest by the end of Summer.

Wild. There must be something I'm missing. Mrs. Spiff is all "I'm afraid to live here, we need to pack go-bags, get passports in order, etc."

Which I'm doing because...well, happy wife, happy life. And she's genuinely concerned so I want to do what I can to be supportive of that.

I think the next 4 years are going to certainly suck, but I'm not sure if I see civil unrest on the horizon. Like I said, maybe I'm missing something.

I'm not talking about end of the world, Escape From New York type of setting. I'm talking more about the civil rights protests of 2020, but on a much angrier, wider scale. You're going to see women, pro Gaza, Latino, blacks out in the streets if this continues...and its only been a couple of days. Even slivers of Maga are regretting, doesn't mean much, but whatever.

Also, a lot of that civil unrest came to a head right before an election, no election this time. People are just going to have to sit and be miserable for two years. Without an exit for that aggression to go constructively, I feel it will be used destructively.

I think the next 4 years are going to certainly suck, but I'm not sure if I see civil unrest on the horizon. Like I said, maybe I'm missing something.

I'm not sure that civil unrest is on the horizon, but I think the road to it isn't unforeseeable to the point where making some basic plans and taking some basic precautions makes sense. I wouldn't suggest anybody dump their whole investment portfolio for canned food, guns, and bullets, but some low stakes moves as insurance against the extreme downside seem prudent to me.

At some level, he's removing the moral hazard from the right to behave badly. And J6 seems like a one time thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't encourage bad behavior with respect to elected officials to the left at the state and federal levels and non-elected officials that are deemed "liberal" or "woke".

And while them meteing out of justice maybe uneven and unjust, there will certainly be some sort of violent response from the violent/extreme left. Which then can leads to an escalating set of problems (and that's then how you end up with a dictatorship where Trump declares emergency powers to deal with situation that he had a hand in creating. Encourage and even plan violence on my side, when the other side responds crack down, causing even greater response, and then claim you need more power to control the situation.)

Forgive, new format takes some getting used to...this might end up "messy".

It won't matter if the left protests peacefully like last time, the right will find some way to demonize them. So to say we can't do anything because they'll just get mad, won't win the Dems any elections. Liberals are getting tired of this "kumbaya" stuff, they want results. Dems can't get those results and shy away from a fight.

[PeterMP]

It won't matter if the left protests peacefully like last time, the right will find some way to demonize them. So to say we can't do anything because they'll just get mad, won't win the Dems any elections. Liberals are getting tired of this "kumbaya" stuff, they want results. Dems can't get those results and shy away from a fight.

Okay, but I don't think violence helps the Dems win elections. Yes if they protest and they are relatively peaceful, the right will still demonize them.

I'm not against doing some things that I don't particularly like because the other side is going to do them anyway (gerrymandering) or the right is going to paint you as extreme/demonize you anyway. Getting the Republicans to stop gerrymandering might require gerrymandering better than them.

But I think violence by the left doesn't help you win elections and generally just hurts the people protesting because people generally protest near where they live (J6 was an exception). Doing something just because the right is doing it or even if you don't do it you are going demonize you doesn't make sense.

(That doesn't also mean the "left" shouldn't resort to violence depending how things go. But you go there if the system is so rigged that you can't win elections.)

[mcsluggo]

it was the kumbaya stuff that prevailed in the civil rights era. its what jimmy carter was. and its what i want now

team trump/miller/gaetz/Jordan/stefanic/ALLofthem are cartoon level goons... its frustrating watching them. its like watching watching mississippi burning or man in the high castle... that used to be what some republicans were... now it is what ALL remaining republicans are. i understand the desire to punch them in the face (rarely has there been such an assemblage of so-punchable faces), but i want civilization to win.

[Corcaigh]

Wild. There must be something I'm missing. Mrs. Spiff is all "I'm afraid to live here, we need to pack go-bags, get passports in order, etc."

Which I'm doing because...well, happy wife, happy life. And she's genuinely concerned so I want to do what I can to be supportive of that.

I think the next 4 years are going to certainly suck, but I'm not sure if I see civil unrest on the horizon. Like I said, maybe I'm missing something.

I hope it won’t come to that but as a simple Plan B we’re renewing our European citizenship and sorting it out for our kids too.

[The Sisko]

Wild. There must be something I'm missing. Mrs. Spiff is all "I'm afraid to live here, we need to pack go-bags, get passports in order, etc."

Which I'm doing because...well, happy wife, happy life. And she's genuinely concerned so I want to do what I can to be supportive of that.

I think the next 4 years are going to certainly suck, but I'm not sure if I see civil unrest on the horizon. Like I said, maybe I'm missing something.

Listen to her. Women are usually the brains of the outfit.

Okay, but I don't think violence helps the Dems win elections. Yes if they protest and they are relatively peaceful, the right will still demonize them.

I'm not against doing some things that I don't particularly like because the other side is going to do them anyway (gerrymandering) or the right is going to paint you as extreme/demonize you anyway. Getting the Republicans to stop gerrymandering might require gerrymandering better than them.

But I think violence by the left doesn't help you win elections and generally just hurts the people protesting because people generally protest near where they live (J6 was an exception). Doing something just because the right is doing it or even if you don't do it you are going demonize you doesn't make sense.

(That doesn't also mean the "left" shouldn't resort to violence depending how things go. But you go there if the system is so rigged that you can't win elections.)

Sadly, I think we're in a Kobayashi Maru. If the center/left demonstrates, even peacefully, fascist plants will make sure those demonstrations turn violent. It happened during the George Floyd protests, so I'd expect it to happen again. As was mentioned earlier, at that point, Tя☭mp declartes martial law, cracks down, and goes full Putin.
However, I think it's also possible that most people have just accepted that the country is schtupped and are just waiting for the Grand Oligarch's Party fall over and smoke a cigarette.

[China]

Not sanguine about the future. He's already imposing 25% tariffs, removing the US from WHO and the Paris climate agreement, shut down external communication from CDC, FDA, etc. (e.g., no more MMWR and more), closed a government reproductive health info website, and signed an executive order banning birthright citizenship (in direct violation of the plain language of the constitution). At least that last one has already been challenged by a lawsuit from 18 states.

For our sanity we should probably start a thread on Trump and his administration's gaffes so we can poke fun and laugh a little bit, like with how they've already been caught writing stuff using AI with all the flaws that come with it.

[China]

I think I forgot to mention the whole immigrant deportation thing: