2025 Schedule Thread

[skinsinparadise]

I'm just saying that its a metric that needs to be conidered. Notice I didn't predict a record based on the QBs. I just said I'm not afraid of any QBs on those rosters. Look at a guy like Warren Sharp who's going around acting like miles travelled is a more important stat and I'd argue any day that who's QB of your (opponents) team is a more important metric for number of wins than miles travelled. Same for opponents win percentage. Those are flimsy, but the QB themselves are more consistent from year to year even when the teams fluctuate.

In 2021, we faced Herbert, Allen, Ryan, Mahomes, Rodgers, and Brady. All in the first 8 weeks. Those are all outside the division. That's a who's who of QBs. You remember our record? 3-6 (with a win against NY, so that really doesn't count). What I'm saying is look at the QBs we're facing to get a feel for the schedule because this is a one player league. We saw it last year when JD single handedly lifted this team to a 12-5 year.

Sharp of course isn't saying the number of miles you travel is more important than what QB you play. His bigger point anyway is rest days. This team was screwed on that count. They are playing 4 teams coming off of bye weeks, the most in the league. they have the third worst rest differential in the league.

It's a cliche just about to say its not always who you play but WHEN you play them. Considering many teams have a rest advantage over this team, and that also means it easier for them to bring guys back from injury or for them to rest and recover from injury, that matters. From an anayltical standpoint, he's found it statistically relevant. Last year the team with the worst rest differential was the 49ers. The best if I recall was the Lions. Apparently the Lions were given the best again this year.

If Logan Paulsen among others says from experience its not easy to shift every week from 1 pm, to then 4 pm to then 8 pm. Your body doesn't react the same to that. Maybe it does matter.

If they are playing arguably the three toughest divisions in football this year, includng ours, maybe it does matter.

Conversely, maybe it did matter that they played the 2nd easiest schedule in the NFL last year statistically speaking, traveled the least miles and had consistent 1 PM games almost every week.

You don't seem to think this is a dramatic shift. Some and apparently Vegas among them think this schedule will be a bigger challange than last year and expect them to win less games than last year.

Personally, I think the team is better than last year but I do think they will win less than 12 games. Probably 10, maybe 11. But the schedule clearly looks tough.

The one upside of a schedule like this is as Joe Gibbs said once in an interview, he liked at times a hard schedule because it prepared them for the post season.

I'm just bringing in the factor that I think isn't being talked about enough. I think who they play is important (division) and miles traveled is also important, but QB is the most important because this is basically a one person league. Yes injuries matter, but injuries everywhere but the important position can almost always be overcome. We saw is SF that Purdy wasn't the elite QB some like me thought he was. But still he's a nice QB whose weapons make him look nice(kinda like Hurts).

I think we're set of 13+ wins this year. It's not gonna be a cakewalk but I can't have faith in JD and see us barely above .500

Part of my frustration with this is that Warren Sharp recommended this. So I feel like I'm arguing against him. I'm not saying he's bad or his opinion is bad, I'm just saying that there are more things to consider. Yes this (miles traveled) helps take into account injuries and a lot of things like that, but it doesn't take into account everything and that's all I'm saying. And one thing that I'm saying that it doesn't take into account is the opposing QBs.

So supposing that both teams come in healthy, that factor is null. And it becomes a question of my QB vs his defense and him vs my defense. And I'm taking JD every time.

And I'm not betting that Warren has found a way to predict injuries.

You seemed focused on air miles. Air miles is the gravy not the meat of the argument. As I mentioned his much larger point is rest differential. When a team has 13 days to rest for a game, and you got 6 it can matter. When you got 5 days and your opponent has 7 it can matter.

It's not about predicting injuries. It's about what team is more rested. And the way injuries creep into the discussion, its sometimes a team is banged up but with an extra week or a couple of extra days rest, said players are more likely be able to play because of that extra time of rest to heal.

How many times do we talk abot during the year that it sucks that so so can't play but heck if they had a few more days they probably could play. That's the dynamic working against us this season. Both as to our players being ready and the opponent's players being ready. And it is working against us versus some really good teams. That's the meat of Sharp's argument. That is, teams who are really helped on this and conversely teams who get screwed on it. We alas are one of the teams who were screwed on it.

I think it was Logan or maybe it was Keim, I don't recall making the point that last season was the perfect storm for the playoffs. We were relatively healthy. Had the late bye. Late in the season we had a stretch of like 5 weeks where we barely traveled at all. And played a fairly benign/easy schedule both as to opponents and had a mostly consistent 1 pm schedule for most of the season.

Aside from the Lions game, just about every game late in the season still went down to the wire. Often the last play. Heck even against Dallas and their backup QB who had nothing to play for.

And as good as Jayden is. It's not as slam dunk that this alone makes them unstoppable. I was at the New Orleans game and watched Rattler run through our defense like it was nothing. And heck if he played the whole game, we likely would have lost. It came down to one play at the end as you recall.

Cooper Rush won against us. Trey Lance almost beat us. Russell Wilson who some say is a scrub these days won against us. Caleb was a Hail Mary away from winning. And these aren't hot QBs. So we can say Jayden >> Herbert. But look if scrubs like Trey Lance and Spencer Rattler can give us a run for our money, tough to discount top 10 QBs as not having a good chance to do the same versus this team.

Don't get me wrong, it was a magical season and I enjoyed every moment. And I do think Jayden is an elite QB. And clutch. But overcoming really good teams week after week in not the best context-circumstance will be one heck of a challenge and not apples to apples to last season.

Last season was like living in San Diego, breazy, 72 degrees, perfect weather. And they did it, but still just barely week after week, but did pull it off. This season is akin to living in Chicago, 15 degrees, with cold winds in your face. Can Jayden and crew pull it off with much more adversity? Sure. But IMO it will be wildly different circumstances. Bigger challenge indeed. And Vegas isn't stupid. They like this team but don't expect a repeat record for a reason.

[Thinking Skins]

Sharp of course isn't saying the number of miles you travel is more important than what QB you play. His bigger point anyway is rest days. This team was screwed on that count. They are playing 4 teams coming off of bye weeks, the most in the league. they have the third worst rest differential in the league.

It's a cliche just about to say its not always who you play but WHEN you play them. Considering many teams have a rest advantage over this team, and that also means it easier for them to bring guys back from injury or for them to rest and recover from injury, that matters. From an anayltical standpoint, he's found it statistically relevant. Last year the team with the worst rest differential was the 49ers. The best if I recall was the Lions. Apparently the Lions were given the best again this year.

If Logan Paulsen among others says from experience its not easy to shift every week from 1 pm, to then 4 pm to then 8 pm. Your body doesn't react the same to that. Maybe it does matter.

If they are playing arguably the three toughest divisions in football this year, includng ours, maybe it does matter.

Conversely, maybe it did matter that they played the 2nd easiest schedule in the NFL last year statistically speaking, traveled the least miles and had consistent 1 PM games almost every week.

You don't seem to think this is a dramatic shift. Some and apparently Vegas among them think this schedule will be a bigger challange than last year and expect them to win less games than last year.

Personally, I think the team is better than last year but I do think they will win less than 12 games. Probably 10, maybe 11. But the schedule clearly looks tough.

The one upside of a schedule like this is as Joe Gibbs said once in an interview, he liked at times a hard schedule because it prepared them for the post season.

I'm just bringing in the factor that I think isn't being talked about enough. I think who they play is important (division) and miles traveled is also important, but QB is the most important because this is basically a one person league. Yes injuries matter, but injuries everywhere but the important position can almost always be overcome. We saw is SF that Purdy wasn't the elite QB some like me thought he was. But still he's a nice QB whose weapons make him look nice(kinda like Hurts).

I think we're set of 13+ wins this year. It's not gonna be a cakewalk but I can't have faith in JD and see us barely above .500

Part of my frustration with this is that Warren Sharp recommended this. So I feel like I'm arguing against him. I'm not saying he's bad or his opinion is bad, I'm just saying that there are more things to consider. Yes this (miles traveled) helps take into account injuries and a lot of things like that, but it doesn't take into account everything and that's all I'm saying. And one thing that I'm saying that it doesn't take into account is the opposing QBs.

So supposing that both teams come in healthy, that factor is null. And it becomes a question of my QB vs his defense and him vs my defense. And I'm taking JD every time.

And I'm not betting that Warren has found a way to predict injuries.

You seemed focused on air miles. Air miles is the gravy not the meat of the argument. As I mentioned his much larger point is rest differential. When a team has 13 days to rest for a game, and you got 6 it can matter. When you got 5 days and your opponent has 7 it can matter.

It's not about predicting injuries. It's about what team is more rested. And the way injuries creep into the discussion, its sometimes a team is banged up but with an extra week or a couple of extra days rest, said players are more likely be able to play because of that extra time of rest to heal.

How many times do we talk abot during the year that it sucks that so so can't play but heck if they had a few more days they probably could play. That's the dynamic working against us this season. Both as to our players being ready and the opponent's players being ready. And it is working against us versus some really good teams. That's the meat of Sharp's argument. That is, teams who are really helped on this and conversely teams who get screwed on it. We alas are one of the teams who were screwed on it.

I think it was Logan or maybe it was Keim, I don't recall making the point that last season was the perfect storm for the playoffs. We were relatively healthy. Had the late bye. Late in the season we had a stretch of like 5 weeks where we barely traveled at all. And played a fairly benign/easy schedule both as to opponents and had a mostly consistent 1 pm schedule for most of the season.

Aside from the Lions game, just about every game late in the season still went down to the wire. Often the last play. Heck even against Dallas and their backup QB who had nothing to play for.

And as good as Jayden is. It's not as slam dunk that this alone makes them unstoppable. I was at the New Orleans game and watched Rattler run through our defense like it was nothing. And heck if he played the whole game, we likely would have lost. It came down to one play at the end as you recall.

Cooper Rush won against us. Trey Lance almost beat us. Russell Wilson who some say is a scrub these days won against us. Caleb was a Hail Mary away from winning. And these aren't hot QBs. So we can say Jayden >> Herbert. But look if scrubs like Trey Lance and Spencer Rattler can give us a run for our money, tough to discount top 10 QBs as not having a good chance to do the same versus this team.

Don't get me wrong, it was a magical season and I enjoyed every moment. And I do think Jayden is an elite QB. And clutch. But overcoming really good teams week after week in not the best context-circumstance will be one heck of a challenge and not apples to apples to last season.

Last season was like living in San Diego, breazy, 72 degrees, perfect weather. And they did it, but still just barely week after week, but did pull it off. This season is akin to living in Chicago, 15 degrees, with cold winds in your face. Can Jayden and crew pull it off with much more adversity? Sure. But IMO it will be wildly different circumstances. Bigger challenge indeed. And Vegas isn't stupid. They like this team but don't expect a repeat record for a reason.

Once again, that a factor. But it goes into how well a team is built. How can they handle these situations. Like I said though the number one question a team faces is do they have a QB and will their QB be injured. Most of the teams we have don't have a QB. Sure they have depth elsewhere, but it's not as big of a deal because it's like it's playing Detroit who was coming of 2 weeks rest and we wiped the floor with them. They have no QB , or at least no top tier QB. Who cares about the other 21 or other 52.

The eagles did it because their other 21 are almost all pro bowlers and such it's a great situation. But that's hard to construct. And they still almost lost to us and the Rams.

[JaydenOurSavior16]

@Thinking Skins i wouldnt say the eagles almost lost to us. They were in no danger of losing the NFCCG against us at any point quite honestly

[Thinking Skins]

@Thinking Skins i wouldnt say the eagles almost lost to us. They were in no danger of losing the NFCCG against us at any point quite honestly

Man, no fumbles and it's a closer game.

[skinsinparadise]

I'm just bringing in the factor that I think isn't being talked about enough. I think who they play is important (division) and miles traveled is also important, but QB is the most important because this is basically a one person league. Yes injuries matter, but injuries everywhere but the important position can almost always be overcome. We saw is SF that Purdy wasn't the elite QB some like me thought he was. But still he's a nice QB whose weapons make him look nice(kinda like Hurts).

I think we're set of 13+ wins this year. It's not gonna be a cakewalk but I can't have faith in JD and see us barely above .500

Part of my frustration with this is that Warren Sharp recommended this. So I feel like I'm arguing against him. I'm not saying he's bad or his opinion is bad, I'm just saying that there are more things to consider. Yes this (miles traveled) helps take into account injuries and a lot of things like that, but it doesn't take into account everything and that's all I'm saying. And one thing that I'm saying that it doesn't take into account is the opposing QBs.

So supposing that both teams come in healthy, that factor is null. And it becomes a question of my QB vs his defense and him vs my defense. And I'm taking JD every time.

And I'm not betting that Warren has found a way to predict injuries.

You seemed focused on air miles. Air miles is the gravy not the meat of the argument. As I mentioned his much larger point is rest differential. When a team has 13 days to rest for a game, and you got 6 it can matter. When you got 5 days and your opponent has 7 it can matter.

It's not about predicting injuries. It's about what team is more rested. And the way injuries creep into the discussion, its sometimes a team is banged up but with an extra week or a couple of extra days rest, said players are more likely be able to play because of that extra time of rest to heal.

How many times do we talk abot during the year that it sucks that so so can't play but heck if they had a few more days they probably could play. That's the dynamic working against us this season. Both as to our players being ready and the opponent's players being ready. And it is working against us versus some really good teams. That's the meat of Sharp's argument. That is, teams who are really helped on this and conversely teams who get screwed on it. We alas are one of the teams who were screwed on it.

I think it was Logan or maybe it was Keim, I don't recall making the point that last season was the perfect storm for the playoffs. We were relatively healthy. Had the late bye. Late in the season we had a stretch of like 5 weeks where we barely traveled at all. And played a fairly benign/easy schedule both as to opponents and had a mostly consistent 1 pm schedule for most of the season.

Aside from the Lions game, just about every game late in the season still went down to the wire. Often the last play. Heck even against Dallas and their backup QB who had nothing to play for.

And as good as Jayden is. It's not as slam dunk that this alone makes them unstoppable. I was at the New Orleans game and watched Rattler run through our defense like it was nothing. And heck if he played the whole game, we likely would have lost. It came down to one play at the end as you recall.

Cooper Rush won against us. Trey Lance almost beat us. Russell Wilson who some say is a scrub these days won against us. Caleb was a Hail Mary away from winning. And these aren't hot QBs. So we can say Jayden >> Herbert. But look if scrubs like Trey Lance and Spencer Rattler can give us a run for our money, tough to discount top 10 QBs as not having a good chance to do the same versus this team.

Don't get me wrong, it was a magical season and I enjoyed every moment. And I do think Jayden is an elite QB. And clutch. But overcoming really good teams week after week in not the best context-circumstance will be one heck of a challenge and not apples to apples to last season.

Last season was like living in San Diego, breazy, 72 degrees, perfect weather. And they did it, but still just barely week after week, but did pull it off. This season is akin to living in Chicago, 15 degrees, with cold winds in your face. Can Jayden and crew pull it off with much more adversity? Sure. But IMO it will be wildly different circumstances. Bigger challenge indeed. And Vegas isn't stupid. They like this team but don't expect a repeat record for a reason.

Once again, that a factor. But it goes into how well a team is built. How can they handle these situations. Like I said though the number one question a team faces is do they have a QB and will their QB be injured. Most of the teams we have don't have a QB. Sure they have depth elsewhere, but it's not as big of a deal because it's like it's playing Detroit who was coming of 2 weeks rest and we wiped the floor with them. They have no QB , or at least no top tier QB. Who cares about the other 21 or other 52.

The eagles did it because their other 21 are almost all pro bowlers and such it's a great situation. But that's hard to construct. And they still almost lost to us and the Rams.

Saying Jayden Daniels is better than their QB is one thing. But saying the other teams don't have a QB is taking the point a bit far.

We are facing Dak, Mahomes, Herbert, Hurts, Goff, Jordan Love. Among our easier ones are Tua, G. Smith, Bo Nix, Caleb, Russell Wilson.

These aren't Spencer Rattler, Trey Lance, Cooper Rush Part 2 -- all of whom beat us or almost did. It's more formidable opposition even if I did color the games completely as if these are akin to tennis matches with Jayden versus the other QB alone and nothing else really matters as to these games.

We are playing if I recall about half our games versus playoff teams. Yeah the Lions game was the highlight of the season and was a bit of an aberration in that we won decisively versus the typical last minute heroics which were needed versus good and bad teams in the home stretch.

As to the Lions game a good part of that is we did something in that game that we rarely did last season and that is create turnovers. The Lions moved the ball well against us but all the turnovers killed them. To be fair, if you felt that we almost beat the Eagles in spite of the lopsided score which indicates otherwise, it would have to be take away those turnovers and we'd have had a chance. If we are using that same logic, the Lions could say exactly the same thing.

If a team like the Saints can come one play away from beating us and probably would have beat us if Rattler played the whole game, why should we be that confident that Herbert for example couldn't do the same against us or more likely better?

QBs matter and big time of course. I was one of those who led the calvary on that point on ES saying we are limited with the guys we have including even the more celebrated QBs like Alex Smith. No great QB -- no chance. And I wanted to shoot as high as we could up the food chain to get that elite QB. Easier said than done but that was practically a mantra for me and some others. And not that it was a brilliant point. It just seemed like obvious common sense judging by what teams are constantly fighting for the ring.

And I recall you were much softer than me as to that point. I used to joke with you that you were more sold on late round QBs or UDFAs having a chance to be the guy more than anyone I debated and you could tolerate and have patience with non elite play from the QB hoping for progression from them with better circumstance, etc. The Nick Mullens, Beathard, or name a bunch of non first round QB ala Kellen Mond. So to me this is you coming full circle and very strong on the elite QB point in a way that surprises me a little.

And don't get me wrong, I haven't changed at all. I am as sold on a franchise elite QB is the ticket to football Nirvana as ever. Heck I'll go as far as saying, i think we win a SB in the near future. But I'd bet we have a better shot in the 2026-2027 season versus the 2025-2026 one. The thing about this season is we still arguably have the weakest roster of the big boy SB threat teams and the schedule is a bear. You give this FO another off season to undue the damage that Ron did to this roster and a softer schedule, and I wouldn't be surprised if I'd be headed to LA to watch my first SB in person.

[Thinking Skins]

You seemed focused on air miles. Air miles is the gravy not the meat of the argument. As I mentioned his much larger point is rest differential. When a team has 13 days to rest for a game, and you got 6 it can matter. When you got 5 days and your opponent has 7 it can matter.

It's not about predicting injuries. It's about what team is more rested. And the way injuries creep into the discussion, its sometimes a team is banged up but with an extra week or a couple of extra days rest, said players are more likely be able to play because of that extra time of rest to heal.

How many times do we talk abot during the year that it sucks that so so can't play but heck if they had a few more days they probably could play. That's the dynamic working against us this season. Both as to our players being ready and the opponent's players being ready. And it is working against us versus some really good teams. That's the meat of Sharp's argument. That is, teams who are really helped on this and conversely teams who get screwed on it. We alas are one of the teams who were screwed on it.

I think it was Logan or maybe it was Keim, I don't recall making the point that last season was the perfect storm for the playoffs. We were relatively healthy. Had the late bye. Late in the season we had a stretch of like 5 weeks where we barely traveled at all. And played a fairly benign/easy schedule both as to opponents and had a mostly consistent 1 pm schedule for most of the season.

Aside from the Lions game, just about every game late in the season still went down to the wire. Often the last play. Heck even against Dallas and their backup QB who had nothing to play for.

And as good as Jayden is. It's not as slam dunk that this alone makes them unstoppable. I was at the New Orleans game and watched Rattler run through our defense like it was nothing. And heck if he played the whole game, we likely would have lost. It came down to one play at the end as you recall.

Cooper Rush won against us. Trey Lance almost beat us. Russell Wilson who some say is a scrub these days won against us. Caleb was a Hail Mary away from winning. And these aren't hot QBs. So we can say Jayden >> Herbert. But look if scrubs like Trey Lance and Spencer Rattler can give us a run for our money, tough to discount top 10 QBs as not having a good chance to do the same versus this team.

Don't get me wrong, it was a magical season and I enjoyed every moment. And I do think Jayden is an elite QB. And clutch. But overcoming really good teams week after week in not the best context-circumstance will be one heck of a challenge and not apples to apples to last season.

Last season was like living in San Diego, breazy, 72 degrees, perfect weather. And they did it, but still just barely week after week, but did pull it off. This season is akin to living in Chicago, 15 degrees, with cold winds in your face. Can Jayden and crew pull it off with much more adversity? Sure. But IMO it will be wildly different circumstances. Bigger challenge indeed. And Vegas isn't stupid. They like this team but don't expect a repeat record for a reason.

Once again, that a factor. But it goes into how well a team is built. How can they handle these situations. Like I said though the number one question a team faces is do they have a QB and will their QB be injured. Most of the teams we have don't have a QB. Sure they have depth elsewhere, but it's not as big of a deal because it's like it's playing Detroit who was coming of 2 weeks rest and we wiped the floor with them. They have no QB , or at least no top tier QB. Who cares about the other 21 or other 52.

The eagles did it because their other 21 are almost all pro bowlers and such it's a great situation. But that's hard to construct. And they still almost lost to us and the Rams.

Saying Jayden Daniels is better than their QB is one thing. But saying the other teams don't have a QB is taking the point a bit far.

We are facing Dak, Mahomes, Herbert, Hurts, Goff, Jordan Love. Among our easier ones are Tua, G. Smith, Bo Nix, Caleb, Russell Wilson.

These aren't Spencer Rattler, Trey Lance, Cooper Rush Part 2 -- all of whom beat us or almost did. It's more formidable opposition even if I did color the games completely as if these are akin to tennis matches with Jayden versus the other QB alone and nothing else really matters as to these games.

We are playing if I recall about half our games versus playoff teams. Yeah the Lions game was the highlight of the season and was a bit of an aberration in that we won decisively versus the typical last minute heroics which were needed versus good and bad teams in the home stretch.

As to the Lions game a good part of that is we did something in that game that we rarely did last season and that is create turnovers. The Lions moved the ball well against us but all the turnovers killed them. To be fair, if you felt that we almost beat the Eagles in spite of the lopsided score which indicates otherwise, it would have to be take away those turnovers and we'd have had a chance. If we are using that same logic, the Lions could say exactly the same thing.

If a team like the Saints can come one play away from beating us and probably would have beat us if Rattler played the whole game, why should we be that confident that Herbert for example couldn't do the same against us or more likely better?

QBs matter and big time of course. I was one of those who led the calvary on that point on ES saying we are limited with the guys we have including even the more celebrated QBs like Alex Smith. No great QB -- no chance. And I wanted to shoot as high as we could up the food chain to get that elite QB. Easier said than done but that was practically a mantra for me and some others. And not that it was a brilliant point. It just seemed like obvious common sense judging by what teams are constantly fighting for the ring.

And I recall you were much softer than me as to that point. I used to joke with you that you were more sold on late round QBs or UDFAs having a chance to be the guy more than anyone I debated and you could tolerate and have patience with non elite play from the QB hoping for progression from them with better circumstance, etc. The Nick Mullens, Beathard, or name a bunch of non first round QB ala Kellen Mond. So to me this is you coming full circle and very strong on the elite QB point in a way that surprises me a little.

And don't get me wrong, I haven't changed at all. I am as sold on a franchise elite QB is the ticket to football Nirvana as ever. Heck I'll go as far as saying, i think we win a SB in the near future. But I'd bet we have a better shot in the 2026-2027 season versus the 2025-2026 one. The thing about this season is we still arguably have the weakest roster of the big boy SB threat teams and the schedule is a bear. You give this FO another off season to undue the damage that Ron did to this roster and a softer schedule, and I wouldn't be surprised if I'd be headed to LA to watch my first SB in person.

Right on a lot of counts. But the thing we have to dissect more is the Daniels last year almost losing. We must remember that he was a rookie QB, with a first year coach (in DC), coaching a team that was 4-13 last year, with a new OC and basically learning his style all year long. The entire team was still meshing all year long. Words like chemistry and locker room are overused but we were literally still building a locker room around a rookie QB. That's different than a team like Cincy that has had Burrow for like 5 years and knows what he is. And it is different than Cooper Rush who for all purposes is a backup QB who we should have taken to OT if not for a missed XP. Lets not forget that GREAT play to Terry.

Most of my arguments about people like Mond or and the like was that we wouldn't have the chances at a JD because the difference between a Mond and a Sam Darnold or a Tommy Devito and a Daniel Jones is not as great is we make it out to be. Maybe in work ethic or in the things we don't see, but in the other things they're not that different. And the real difference makers don't come around that often, definitely not every year. That's why I am generally in the favor of trading down and doing a Packers formula of just drafting a QB every year until we find one. But thats a moot point now.

If and when I get time I may do an opponent QBR (last season and career) by schedule to see how difficult it is by that metric. I am trying to get a big paper published and that, aside from work, church, and family is taking most of my time. So I don't have time for hobbies like this. Maybe I can talk to a friend who's into math and see if they want to do it for fun.

[HTTCDynasty]

If QBs were all that mattered, the Bengals would have been in the playoffs last year.

I could easily see us having a 2024-Bengals-like season this year as a floor given our defense, our schedule and various other factors.

[Thinking Skins]

If QBs were all that mattered, the Bengals would have been in the playoffs last year.

I could easily see us having a 2024-Bengals-like season this year as a floor given our defense, our schedule and various other factors.

Or. Another scenario, he's just not that good. And he gets hurt a lot. And he's in a conference with a lot of great QBs.

[HTTCDynasty]

If QBs were all that mattered, the Bengals would have been in the playoffs last year.

I could easily see us having a 2024-Bengals-like season this year as a floor given our defense, our schedule and various other factors.

Or. Another scenario, he's just not that good. And he gets hurt a lot. And he's in a conference with a lot of great QBs.

To be clear, we’re still talking about Joe Burrow, correct?

This Joe Burrow?

[Thinking Skins]

Now I'm getting this label as a hater. Let me back this up. This is a significant injury history. Of course he's going to win come back player if he's always out. And it still doesn't mean he's as good as others like Mahomes or Jackson or Allen.