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Re: Free agency thread
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:33 am
by skinsinparadise
Renegade7 wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 7:54 pm
We should trade for Myles Garret...the future is now...
A game wrecker on defense makes everyone on defense better including the secondary. Quinn knows how to use a chess piece to create mismatches.
Our defensive tackles especially Payne have been very disappointing relative to what they are being paid.
We have no game changers on the D line. Heck you could argue the Eagles 3rd best DT is better than all of ours. I like Newton’s potential. Will see about him. But we need a game changer on the D line.
This clearly isnt old school Washington where first rounders mean top 10 picks. And the idea of a SB is a laughable fantasy. The world has shifted.
Out first round picks are the equivalent of old school 2nd round picks and the SB is within reach. Carpe diem.
Garrett is arguably one of the top 10 players in the NFL. High intangibles. Durable.
Re: Free agency thread
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2025 7:08 pm
by mistertim
skinsinparadise wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:33 am
A game wrecker on defense makes everyone on defense better including the secondary. Quinn knows how to use a chess piece to create mismatches.
Our defensive tackles especially Payne have been very disappointing relative to what they are being paid.
We have no game changers on the D line. Heck you could argue the Eagles 3rd best DT is better than all of ours. I like Newton’s potential. Will see about him. But we need a game changer on the D line.
This clearly isnt old school Washington where first rounders mean top 10 picks. And the idea of a SB is a laughable fantasy. The world has shifted.
Out first round picks are the equivalent of old school 2nd round picks and the SB is within reach. Carpe diem.
Garrett is arguably one of the top 10 players in the NFL. High intangibles. Durable.
I think the biggest questions regarding Garrett are 1) How much draft capital would you be willing to give up for him? A 29th overall pick alone isn't going to move the needle. 2) How much cap space are you willing to dedicate to him? From what I've read, he's likely to be looking for a new long term contract with whatever team he might be traded to. How much are you willing to spend there, considering that we'll have more guys (especially JD) to pay within the next couple of years?
Re: Free agency thread
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2025 7:45 pm
by skinsinparadise
mistertim wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 7:08 pm
skinsinparadise wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:33 am
A game wrecker on defense makes everyone on defense better including the secondary. Quinn knows how to use a chess piece to create mismatches.
Our defensive tackles especially Payne have been very disappointing relative to what they are being paid.
We have no game changers on the D line. Heck you could argue the Eagles 3rd best DT is better than all of ours. I like Newton’s potential. Will see about him. But we need a game changer on the D line.
This clearly isnt old school Washington where first rounders mean top 10 picks. And the idea of a SB is a laughable fantasy. The world has shifted.
Out first round picks are the equivalent of old school 2nd round picks and the SB is within reach. Carpe diem.
Garrett is arguably one of the top 10 players in the NFL. High intangibles. Durable.
I think the biggest questions regarding Garrett are 1) How much draft capital would you be willing to give up for him? A 29th overall pick alone isn't going to move the needle. 2) How much cap space are you willing to dedicate to him? From what I've read, he's likely to be looking for a new long term contract with whatever team he might be traded to. How much are you willing to spend there, considering that we'll have more guys (especially JD) to pay within the next couple of years?
Yep. I am aware. Ill expound later. But in short, you can stagger his contract to fit this window for Jaydens rookie deal. Assuming two number 1s. It would be a disaster IMO if the Eagles got him instead.
Re: Free Agency and Trades thread
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2025 9:09 pm
by GhostofSparta
Can the Browns even afford to trade Myles? From what I've been seeing they're already about $30 million over the cap, and trading him would add over $16 million to that:
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/cleveland-browns.
Re: Free agency thread
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2025 9:27 pm
by mistertim
skinsinparadise wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 7:45 pm
Yep. I am aware. Ill expound later. But in short, you can stagger his contract to fit this window for Jaydens rookie deal. Assuming two number 1s. It would be a disaster IMO if the Eagles got him instead.
Honestly, I'm guessing the Browns will call his bluff, with only a godfather type of offer moving the needle for them. They're going to have to eat an unholy amount of dead cap if they trade him (even if after June 1st), which is untenable given that they're already $30 million over the cap.
So unless someone comes with a three 1st round + player kind of deal, I don't see much incentive for them to do the trade. If Garret refuses to report, they can fine him, not pay his salary, and then also try and get back some of the signing bonus money.
Re: Free Agency and Trades thread
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 1:31 am
by brandies
anyone a cap analyst out there? please respond
Re: Free Agency and Trades thread
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:09 am
by skinsinparadise
I think the Browns would have to rework that contract as part of the trade.
There is definitely a chance the Browns don't trade him. I genuinely think they don't want to trade him. What they are up against it seems is Garrett seems determined to be a pain in the butt to push himself out.
To expound on my pount on why Garrett. We got a dude at QB, where among other things 4 ESPN reporters are picking already as next years MVP. Graziano is picking them to go to the SB with Daniels being compared that SB week next year to Mahomes. And none of that to me sounds silly at all.
If Daniels keeps at this pace, he will be the highest paid player in the league. We got him cheap for a few more years. Carpe Diem.
When was the last star, legit star we had at defense? A dude that opponents game plan against? It's been a long time. Sean Taylor arguably and he was a safety and teams don't game plan much against safeties even great ones like him. Kerrigan was good -- not special. J. Allen has been good -- not special.
Bringing a guy that teams have to account for makes everyone else better. While this team was hyper focused on Jalen Carter for example, it opened things up for Jordan Davis. Or in the SB for Milton Williams and Josh Sweat. A killer player especially on the D line can change a defense. It's a tough thing for us to buy because we haven't seen that in forever to think of it as an apples to apples comparison.
What defensive lineman have we seen that was great here let alone elite? Maybe Dexter Manley in his heyday? And Garrett is arguably better than him, too.
Re: Free agency thread
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 9:46 am
by DWinzit
He intrigues me. He isn't a stud but he is pretty good. Coming off injury, perhaps he could be had at a decent price even if it was on a one year contract that puts him back with Lattimore. I also expect them to resign Noah I
Re: Free Agency and Trades thread
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 12:52 pm
by ACommanderNotCaptain
Bill Barnwell posted an article making it appear that there could be something to a Christian Kirk reunion with Kliff Kingsbury. He's only 29. If traded for he'll cost $15 million. But I kind of imagine the Jags just release him instead and we could sign him for cheaper.
Slot WR, knows the offense. Plays well still but was a bit injured lately. I think I'd prefer him (for cheap) then Deebo Samuel who is looking washed.
Re: Free Agency and Trades thread
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 2:03 pm
by mistertim
skinsinparadise wrote: Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:09 am
I think the Browns would have to rework that contract as part of the trade.
There is definitely a chance the Browns don't trade him. I genuinely think they don't want to trade him. What they are up against it seems is Garrett seems determined to be a pain in the butt to push himself out.
To expound on my pount on why Garrett. We got a dude at QB, where among other things 4 ESPN reporters are picking already as next years MVP. Graziano is picking them to go to the SB with Daniels being compared that SB week next year to Mahomes. And none of that to me sounds silly at all.
If Daniels keeps at this pace, he will be the highest paid player in the league. We got him cheap for a few more years. Carpe Diem.
When was the last star, legit star we had at defense? A dude that opponents game plan against? It's been a long time. Sean Taylor arguably and he was a safety and teams don't game plan much against safeties even great ones like him. Kerrigan was good -- not special. J. Allen has been good -- not special.
Bringing a guy that teams have to account for makes everyone else better. While this team was hyper focused on Jalen Carter for example, it opened things up for Jordan Davis. Or in the SB for Milton Williams and Josh Sweat. A killer player especially on the D line can change a defense. It's a tough thing for us to buy because we haven't seen that in forever to think of it as an apples to apples comparison.
What defensive lineman have we seen that was great here let alone elite? Maybe Dexter Manley in his heyday? And Garrett is arguably better than him, too.
I don't think the Browns have any way to restructure Garrett's contract to reduce or fix the dead cap hit they'd take for moving him. From my (admittedly limited) understanding of cap math, that dead cap is mostly from bonuses already paid. Even if he were to reach an agreement on a contract with a new team before a trade, it wouldn't make the dead cap disappear.
The only way to manipulate the dead cap is to possibly spread the hit out over two years if they wait until after June 1st. But that still doesn't help them a ton, considering they're already $30 million over the cap. That's why I don't see any clear impetus for them to trade him outside of a massive godfather type offer.
They can let him complain, and if he refuses to report or play, they don't have to pay him, they can fine him every day, and they can also try to reclaim a portion of his signing bonus by bonus forfeiture. So they can also make his life hell as well as the other way around.