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[The Evil Genius]

[Darrell Green Fan]

You would think, yet here we are. The GOP is all set to do away with it, they seem to be afraid of their voters, but are still willing to do Trump's bidding. What is Trump's bidding? Kill SS. You seem to think morality, legality or common sense is going to stop the GOP from doing it. Yet, here we are. People need to stop writing imaginary lines in the sand and saying "They'll never cross THIS line!". Yes they will, in fact, they're saying "Watch us!".

I remember all your doomsday posts on ES too if Trump is elected. I stand by my position, yours appears to be hysterical, as it was back then.

Peace brother.

Seriously? You think we're in a good spot right now? Unfortunately, I don't remember your take on ES. I'm guessing you thought he would leave the first time, too? I guess you thought the two impeachments would get him? Or the court cases, or the SCOTUS or the election? Something will eventually get him, right? All is fine. You're delusional.

No I never made those claims and never said we are in a good spot right now. This is how it went on ES, I make a point and you misrepresented it. I just don't believe in your hysterical doomsday predictions. No closing SS offices and cutting staff is not a good thing, never once did I say that all is fine.

Again you are claiming that a retirement account will "disappear with the stock market". This has never once happened, why won't you address that? And you literally challenged me when I said my Social Security checks will continue. That is all I have been addressing and I don't believe a word of it. Closing offices and cutting staff is simply not the same thing as stopping benefits to people who are receiving them. That is political suicide.

[Darrell Green Fan]

You would think, yet here we are. The GOP is all set to do away with it, they seem to be afraid of their voters, but are still willing to do Trump's bidding. What is Trump's bidding? Kill SS. You seem to think morality, legality or common sense is going to stop the GOP from doing it. Yet, here we are. People need to stop writing imaginary lines in the sand and saying "They'll never cross THIS line!". Yes they will, in fact, they're saying "Watch us!".

I remember all your doomsday predictions on ES too if Trump is elected. I stand by my position, yours appears to be hysterical as it was back then. Nobody's 401 will go to $0, that's just crazy talk. And I do not believe they will stop my social security benefits once they have started.

Peace brother.

You're making a number of assumptions. First, your portfolio doesn't have to go to zero for it to affect your retirement. This is even more true if you're already in retirement or close to it. Unlike someone in their 20's, you don't have time to wait for the market to rebound. Now maybe you get lucky and it does, but how much will that benefit you if you've taken a significant hit due to the market tanking, then seven or eight years later, when it does start to rebound, you've spent another big chunk of that lowered value to survive in the interim.

Your second assumption is that because your check doesn't decrease much or at all, SS isn't affected. You're already getting your check, great. However, they've recently announced plans to close some SS offices around the country. So what happens when someone who lives a long distance away, or who has transportation issues, or a host of other things that affect access, isn't able to get to the office to apply for benefits or correct a problem with their SS benefits? You're being hysterical! " Am I? Because that's exactly how red states have neutralized numerous programs they don't like, e.g., healthcare expansion. They erect bureaucratic barriers like work requirements that sound neutral or even beneficial but are actually designed to make it difficult for people to get access. So no, they don't kill the program, but they limit it, eventually, making benefits inaccessible for most people. So, they can claim they still have X safety net program, but just try actually getting any benefits. https://tinyurl.com/nhzd59he This is how these people operate.

Finally, you're also assuming we'll have free and fair elections again. My wife thinks it's mostly a done deal, that it's over, but for once, I'm the optimist. I give it a 60/40 chance that we don't have free elections again, or anytime soon. If that happens, they can kill SS or do anything else they damn well please. "You think we're headed toward Russian style 'elections'? OMG, you're really out there now! Lol!" Let's examine how we got here, once again with the understanding that things aren't always exactly as predicted, but the outcome is what's important.

First, there's control over mostly social media, but later, much of the MSM mostly bent the knee as well. The Grand Oligarch's Party has long wanted to DX Public Broadcasting because it's a reliable news source, 'er a "biased" news source. It's possible they pull it off with PB and other real news sources. However, even if they don't bother with any of the others, they've already improved their propaganda position just since the election. Combine propaganda from all directions with an at best, lightly educated 'Muricun populace, the ability to make people scared to demonstrate, and the oligarch's have already won.

But wait, there's more. They've packed the SCOTUS and gerrymandered the hell out of a system built by colonial era planters who's primary goals were to maintain a political system built on free labor, cheap labor, i.e., poor whites, and limiting political power to a small segment of the country, then calling that "freedom". So no, I don't doubt we'll have elections again, but the question is the degree to which the Grand Oligarch's Party can increase their ability to rig an already rigged system. Remember, they don't have to get 80% or 90% of a sham vote like Putin. All they have to do is get 51% of voters in a rigged system and they win, no matter how unpopular they are. https://tinyurl.com/mrxh8wwr

Remember, "It can't happen here" can be deadly. It can, and to some degree, it already is happening as we watch.

I'm not assuming anything, simply responding to his claims. Simmsy is convinced my Social Security check will stop coming, he literally issued a challenge on this to me. He also said retirement accounts would "disappear". He didn't discuss market dips, he literally said retirement accounts would disappear. If that is not what he meant then he should have used a different word right?

I was simply addressing these hysterical claims. See my post above. I understand these changes may or will impact others, never said otherwise. Again I was simply addressing Simmsy's doomsday claims, nothing more nothing less.

[88Commanders00]

Be nice now when debating each other.

[Darrell Green Fan]

Be nice now when debating each other.

Yeah I went back and removed a sentence to try to tone down my response, this before I saw your post. But I do get frustrated, I remember clearly when I spoke up against all these hysterical fears these posters accused me of being a Trump supporter, they also misrepresented my position then as well. That's kind of hard to forget.

[The Evil Genius]

[Simmsy]

Republicans are marching ahead with a government funding bill despite Democratic opposition

Sorry, can't quote it, my phone isn't liking life right now.

[The Evil Genius]

They don't have the 60 Senate votes though. So passing a bill in the House via party line where you didn't even include the opposition party at all in crafting it is likely DOA.

[The Evil Genius]

Lol these guys..

[PleaseBlitz]

Does anyone think that Trump knows how to drive anything other than a golf cart?