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Renegade7
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Damn...what happened to yall?

I know yall lost a couple players, but this seems like second time in a couple years yall looked like you finally had it together and then jus as quickly it all came apart : (

It's clearly not Angelos this time...
We don't know what we think...
We don't know what we know...
All we have to go on is what we say and what we show...
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abdcskins
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Renegade7 wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 5:44 pm
Damn...what happened to yall?

I know yall lost a couple players, but this seems like second time in a couple years yall looked like you finally had it together and then jus as quickly it all came apart : (

It's clearly not Angelos this time...
The generally accepted answer is that Elias did absolutely nothing to upgrade the roster over the offseason. He thought he could sign stopgaps and the young guys would just continue to excel, which has not been the case at all. Matter of fact there has been regression. Injuries haven't helped. But you can't add aging arms like Morton and Gibson and expect the rotation to be fine, particularly when you have two of your top arms injured in Bradish and Rodriguez. We needed help at the top of the rotation, not the back end. Frankly all of his free agent acquisitions have sucked aside from Sugano & Laureano.

I think Elias was the right GM to rebuild the team, but he is not the GM who is going to put us over the top.
Doyler23
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Yea, @Renegade7 , with Bradish being out until "July,' the hope was with a good offense and pen, they could get by with a rotation of:

Eflin
Rodriguez
Kremer
Sugano
Morton
with Povich and Suarez as swing/long arms. Suarez was huge for this team last year, BTW.

They knew the rotation would not be a strength, but should at least be league average and they could trade for a starter along with Bradish and maybe Wells making it back in the second half.

Well Rodriguez got hurt and then had a setback. He's still TBD, maybe out for the year. Efin got hurt for a month plus after 3 starts. Kremer regressed, Morton has been one of the worst pitchers in baseball. They signed Gibson to eat innings but he's getting knocked out. Rogers is also hurt but he stuck last year too.

On the offensive side - Henderson missed the beginning of the season with that kind of strain that tends to linger. Cowser got hurt. Westburg got hurt. They signed Tyler O'Neil to replace Santander (got hurt, which is his MO). Kjerstad is playing every day and not contributing. Rutschman is scuffling and the offense is essentially 4 deep at the moment. But that doesn't even matter when the starter is giving up 6 in the first inning.

So a lot of this falls on bad luck. And a lot of this falls on the front office for missing on Morton, O'Neil, not signing Burnes (who hasn't been great in AZ). Oh and they signed Kitteridge to be a late inning boost, who is also hurt. But they aren't going to fire the GM for having a bad offseason once, I guess.

Personally, I think this is looking like a gas leak season and the opportunity to evaluate and could even take some of the pressure off guys like Holliday and Kjerstad and really see what we have next year. Crazy to say before Memorial Day, but here we are.
Spaceman Spiff
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Almost everything that could go wrong has gone wrong.
DCSaints_fan
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Finally looks like we're going to take one. Ugly after two blown saves but whatever. Loss streak ends at 8

Guess we'll have to wait for another Sugano start
DCSaints_fan
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abdcskins wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 10:50 pm
Renegade7 wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 5:44 pm
Damn...what happened to yall?

I know yall lost a couple players, but this seems like second time in a couple years yall looked like you finally had it together and then jus as quickly it all came apart : (

It's clearly not Angelos this time...
The generally accepted answer is that Elias did absolutely nothing to upgrade the roster over the offseason. He thought he could sign stopgaps and the young guys would just continue to excel, which has not been the case at all. Matter of fact there has been regression. Injuries haven't helped. But you can't add aging arms like Morton and Gibson and expect the rotation to be fine, particularly when you have two of your top arms injured in Bradish and Rodriguez. We needed help at the top of the rotation, not the back end. Frankly all of his free agent acquisitions have sucked aside from Sugano & Laureano.

I think Elias was the right GM to rebuild the team, but he is not the GM who is going to put us over the top.
He did do things to improve the roster this offseason. I'd say the signings of Laureano and Sugano improved the roster. Unfortunately he also made some terrible signings (Morton, O'Neill, Kittridge, Gibson)

Injuries shouldn't be an excuse, but bottom line is I think that they are. Going back to 2023, the future looked bright with Bradish, Grayrod, Wells, and Kremer. Cade Povich was coming up, we also had Efflin under contract. Even Means looked like a possible TOR before he got hurt again. There was no reason to suspect that the rotation was going to turn to complete dograp in half a season.

Besides that, our offensive has been mediocre, because our top guys weren't hitting. Especially Rutschmann and Henderson. And the org has been stubborn with Ryan Mountcastle who is sporting a .600 OPS and is always at the top or middle of the order

We should definitely flip Sugano, O'Hearn and Mullins, I think we can get some value back at the deadline. This season is a lost cause.
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Three in a row!

Morton pitched well. Carlson with the big blast and everyone goes home happy on Memorial Day!
DCSaints_fan
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DCSaints_fan
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Had to do a double take on our new catchers name - Tromp

Mountcastle, Mateo, Kjerstaad and now Tromp in the lineup tonight. Sugano better pitch a gem
DCSaints_fan
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First sweep of the season, even if it was against the White Sux
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