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NotasLong StillLeft wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:40 am
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Opinion

The Coup Has Failed

Last week, The Washington Post reported that Donald Trump was about to announce a reorganization of the U.S. Postal Service by executive order, firing the Postal Board of Governors and moving the quasi-independent agency under the Commerce Department. Liberals were outraged, and some were miffed that Joe Biden couldn’t even fire Postmaster General Louis DeJoy. But everyone drove past one fact: The very idea is ridiculous.

In his previous discussions of USPS, Trump had talked about privatizing it, not bringing it further into the federal government. Only Congress, though, can actually reorganize an agency that it established through statute. Unlike USAID, the impact of shaking up USPS would be immediately felt by every American with a mailbox, a group that gives the Postal Service the second-highest approval ratings of any federal agency. And then, there’s this little point: By law, the Postal Service is generally exempt from executive orders.

The White House walked back the story almost immediately, saying there was no executive order in the works. When Trump was asked about it, he went into his usual mode of bullshitting on something where he has no real plan: he was “thinking about doing that” and “looking at it.”

This is an administration that has set a standard of constant consolidation of power and punishment of enemies. A month in, the Postal Service trial balloon and quick cleanup shows it has run out of ideas. But the real question about Trump’s second term was always whether he would bully the country into an effective monarchy, or fall prey to the laws of political gravity.

I’m taking a pundit risk by saying that we now have that answer, after one month in office: Trump’s cooked.

His failure has followed the usual direction of political overreach. Brave dissidents from the political opposition, corporate America, or his own coalition didn’t suddenly rise to the challenge. It started from the bottom up, as the governed gradually but definitively withdrew their consent, giving space for those we somehow call “leaders” to distance themselves.

This doesn’t mean that the subsequent three years and eleven months will be a garden of earthly delights. Terrible things are going to happen. Good people will be persecuted and bad people elevated pretty much every day for the next 1,400 or so. But when Trump disgracefully walks out of Washington in 2029, I’m far more inclined to believe that we will have a government to return to.

THE THING ABOUT POPULISM IS you have to be popular. The moment you lose touch with the public mood, you lose the ability to set your agenda without friction. I wrote on Valentine’s Day about the big warning sign in consumer sentiment, the unanchored inflation expectations that keep resetting higher. Trump has set himself up as the only person in the government who matters, so every national problem falls on his head. Since he’s done nothing to address those inflation concerns, voters are already starting to assign blame.

Four polls showed measurable drops in his approval rating in the last week, putting him in the lowest position for a president one month after an inauguration since … Donald Trump, in 2017. A Reuters poll found the percentage of the public thinking the country’s on the wrong track rose ten points in a month, and only 32 percent approved of Trump on inflation. His economic approval ratings are lower than at any point in his first term.

When every headline out of Washington is about Elon Musk (who is also increasingly unpopular) firing workers and dismantling agencies and going after DEI programs and taking over IT systems for obscure reasons, it’s no wonder people see the president as focused on the wrong issues. Americans believe Trump has overstepped his authority, but if they were seeing lower prices as a result they probably wouldn’t care, sadly. The disconnect matters more than the lawlessness.

But as the economy drifts toward a combination of higher unemployment and higher inflation last seen in the presidency of the late Jimmy Carter, Trump will find it harder to simply sweep in and take power. A town hall held by Rep. Rich McCormick (R-GA) last week, in a district that went for Trump 60-38, was a disaster, with angry constituents demanding that he stand up for them and not let Trump control the federal budget and cut services for the needy. Other deep-red districts have seen similar dynamics. In rural eastern Oregon, at a town hall held by Rep. Cliff Bentz (R-OR) in a county that went 68 percent for Trump, the crowd shouted, “Tax Elon,” “Tax the wealthy,” “Tax the rich,” and “Tax the billionaires.” In Oklahoma, constituents demanded that Rep. Kevin Hern (R-OK), who won in November 60-34, put Musk under oath. In Wisconsin, Rep. Glenn Grothman (R-WI) won by a similar number; at a town hall near Oshkosh, he faced a parade of boos and shouts, as did fellow Wisconsinite Rep. Scott Fitzgerald (R-WI).

For weeks, we’ve seen Republicans effectively falling mute at the actions of the president. All it took was a drop in polling support and some angry town halls to flip that. Here’s Rep. Troy Balderson (R-OH) calling Trump’s executive orders “out of control” and stating that Congress must decide whether federal agencies live or die. His district went Trump, 66-33. Here’s freshman Rep. Rob Bresnahan (R-PA) saying he’ll never take away the benefits his neighbors rely on, including Medicaid. Here’s Rep. Mike Simpson of Idaho, of all places, opposing the mass firing that hit the National Park Service rather hard.

Sen. Thom Tillis (R-NC) spoke publicly on the Senate floor and was among several Republicans taking shots at Trump’s claims about Ukraine being the aggressor in its war with Russia. That kind of public repudiation is new and entirely due to Trump’s collapsing favorability. Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) furrowing her brow and expressing concern is a perennial, but saying that Trump violated the Constitution by engaging in impoundment is something new for her. Even Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) had to grudgingly admit that it was up to Congress to sanction all the DOGE spending cuts, even if he liked what they were doing.

All that is on top of the usual tensions within the executive branch hierarchies, particularly with respect to Musk, who is angering cabinet officials and Trump’s inner circle. Republican lawmakers are focusing on Musk too, which would make it easier for Trump to respond to a turn in fortunes by jettisoning him. But Trump’s the one who made all the promises about improving voters’ lives, and he would never fire himself.

The biggest example of the change in mood in the country may be happening at Paramount (which owns CBS). It looked almost certain a month ago that the studio would follow what Disney, Facebook, and X have done by settling frivolous lawsuits with Trump. Paramount’s is about a 60 Minutes interview with Kamala Harris that Trump absurdly claims was deceptively edited to try to cost him the election. The studio is finalizing a sale to Skydance and needs federal approval, which was thought to be the reason it would settle as a gift to the president. But that settlement appears far away now, and Paramount has fought back, including by pursuing a trial where it could obtain Trump’s personal financial information in discovery. That does not happen if Trump is riding high among the public; a diminished figure is easier to rebuke.

None of this will get federal regulators to enforce white-collar crime again. We’re in for an orgy of deregulation, and the tax cut fight still will likely work out well for billionaires, with at least some vulnerable folks paying the price. And in foreign policy, presidents have more of a free hand. Saying that Trump’s coup failed doesn’t change this decidedly dim outlook.

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Unfortunately this article bases its conclusions off of a false premise. The coup hasn’t failed because trumps approval is low or because of the majority of the country no longer agrees with him.

Do the majority of North Koreans or Iranians agree with their respective leaders? What about in Russia?

All that matters is that you have select people in positions of power where they can help you maintain and consolidate your power. And Trump has that from congress to the courts.

His power in the courts is the most dangerous as it is the one that will be the slowest/most difficult to correct and decisions his courts make can work to prolong his position of power in the executive branch/legislature.
I would argue that your stance is based off of a false premise.

N. Korea and Iran started from a decidedly different political system and culture. There exists a legacy in our country of over 200 years of “democratic/republic freedom.” The masses will not acquiesce that freedom willingly, for the most part.

Yes, Trump has installed his lackeys in key positions, but when the public begins to uprise, will everyone fall in line. When he turns to the FBI, Patel has his back, but what about the rank and file? Trump can ask for military intervention, and Hegseth will bow down, but will his underlings? If Trump dares to bring aggressive police/military action against Americans, he will lose all but his most ardent sycophants.

The courts can help him with laws, but when enough of the public has had enough, it won’t be enough. The judicial system takes time. He can invoke executive authority, but who will follow if he has lost too many who had once backed him?

I believe this “coup” ends either with the collapse of this administration, or violence, unfortunately.
Why do you think musk is sending those emails for? He is weeding out the people who won’t fall in line.

Secondly, you’re a bit naive if you think the only way to have a coup is to declare yourself supreme ruler and refuse to hold “elections”.

The Russian president has shown us how to have a democratic dictatorship.
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I can dig it...

https://apnews.com/article/doge-elon-mu ... 9510f2a43c

WASHINGTON (AP) — More than 20 civil service employees resigned Tuesday from billionaire Trump adviser Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency, saying they were refusing to use their technical expertise to “dismantle critical public services.”

“We swore to serve the American people and uphold our oath to the Constitution across presidential administrations,” the 21 staffers wrote in a joint resignation letter, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press. “However, it has become clear that we can no longer honor those commitments.”
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Renegade7 wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 11:30 am
I can dig it...

https://apnews.com/article/doge-elon-mu ... 9510f2a43c

WASHINGTON (AP) — More than 20 civil service employees resigned Tuesday from billionaire Trump adviser Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency, saying they were refusing to use their technical expertise to “dismantle critical public services.”

“We swore to serve the American people and uphold our oath to the Constitution across presidential administrations,” the 21 staffers wrote in a joint resignation letter, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press. “However, it has become clear that we can no longer honor those commitments.”
So yes, @NotasLong StillLeft the rank and file will fall in line because people who won’t will have already left.
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I think Musk and Trump made one big mistake on their coup: the timing is all wrong. A lot of these dictators come to power when a country is on it's knees, things may be bad here, but we're hardly on our knees. We're not starving in the streets, no violent riots no collapse of government (yet). Possibly try again after four years of this regime.
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Simmsy wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 11:35 am
knees
Maybe thats part of the master plan - fuck up the country enough so that it needs a "savior"

Alternatively, you could have some false flag by "liberals" which necessitates a "state of emergency"
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SWIM wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 11:26 am
NotasLong StillLeft wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:40 am
SWIM wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:17 am



Unfortunately this article bases its conclusions off of a false premise. The coup hasn’t failed because trumps approval is low or because of the majority of the country no longer agrees with him.

Do the majority of North Koreans or Iranians agree with their respective leaders? What about in Russia?

All that matters is that you have select people in positions of power where they can help you maintain and consolidate your power. And Trump has that from congress to the courts.

His power in the courts is the most dangerous as it is the one that will be the slowest/most difficult to correct and decisions his courts make can work to prolong his position of power in the executive branch/legislature.
I would argue that your stance is based off of a false premise.

N. Korea and Iran started from a decidedly different political system and culture. There exists a legacy in our country of over 200 years of “democratic/republic freedom.” The masses will not acquiesce that freedom willingly, for the most part.

Yes, Trump has installed his lackeys in key positions, but when the public begins to uprise, will everyone fall in line. When he turns to the FBI, Patel has his back, but what about the rank and file? Trump can ask for military intervention, and Hegseth will bow down, but will his underlings? If Trump dares to bring aggressive police/military action against Americans, he will lose all but his most ardent sycophants.

The courts can help him with laws, but when enough of the public has had enough, it won’t be enough. The judicial system takes time. He can invoke executive authority, but who will follow if he has lost too many who had once backed him?

I believe this “coup” ends either with the collapse of this administration, or violence, unfortunately.
Why do you think musk is sending those emails for? He is weeding out the people who won’t fall in line.

Secondly, you’re a bit naive if you think the only way to have a coup is to declare yourself supreme ruler and refuse to hold “elections”.

The Russian president has shown us how to have a democratic dictatorship.

Putin is the most admired role model trump has ever had in his life, except maybe for his heart throb Kim Jung Un. Gee, what do they all have most in common in terms of traits and desires?

Oops, I should have included Roy Cohn in there.

Speaking of maga, if the guy you love most loves those guys most, what does that say about you?

That you're s "Real American Patriot" and "Good Christian"?
It ain't what you don't know that's a problem. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.~~~Mark Twain
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Step 1: Say the country is in terrible shape (when it's not) and that you're the one that can fix it.

Step 2: Destroy the country so you can say "See, look how bad it is. You need me."

Step 3: Install your oligarchical cronies.

Step 4: Profit.
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Federal technology staffers resign rather than help Musk and DOGE
WASHINGTON (AP) — More than 20 civil service employees resigned Tuesday from billionaire Trump adviser Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency, saying they were refusing to use their technical expertise to “dismantle critical public services.”

“We swore to serve the American people and uphold our oath to the Constitution across presidential administrations,” the 21 staffers wrote in a joint resignation letter, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press. “However, it has become clear that we can no longer honor those commitments.”

The employees also warned that many of those enlisted by Musk to help him slash the size of the federal government under President Donald Trump’s administration were political ideologues who did not have the necessary skills or experience for the task ahead of them.
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SWIM wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 11:26 am
NotasLong StillLeft wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:40 am
SWIM wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:17 am



Unfortunately this article bases its conclusions off of a false premise. The coup hasn’t failed because trumps approval is low or because of the majority of the country no longer agrees with him.

Do the majority of North Koreans or Iranians agree with their respective leaders? What about in Russia?

All that matters is that you have select people in positions of power where they can help you maintain and consolidate your power. And Trump has that from congress to the courts.

His power in the courts is the most dangerous as it is the one that will be the slowest/most difficult to correct and decisions his courts make can work to prolong his position of power in the executive branch/legislature.
I would argue that your stance is based off of a false premise.

N. Korea and Iran started from a decidedly different political system and culture. There exists a legacy in our country of over 200 years of “democratic/republic freedom.” The masses will not acquiesce that freedom willingly, for the most part.

Yes, Trump has installed his lackeys in key positions, but when the public begins to uprise, will everyone fall in line. When he turns to the FBI, Patel has his back, but what about the rank and file? Trump can ask for military intervention, and Hegseth will bow down, but will his underlings? If Trump dares to bring aggressive police/military action against Americans, he will lose all but his most ardent sycophants.

The courts can help him with laws, but when enough of the public has had enough, it won’t be enough. The judicial system takes time. He can invoke executive authority, but who will follow if he has lost too many who had once backed him?

I believe this “coup” ends either with the collapse of this administration, or violence, unfortunately.
Why do you think musk is sending those emails for? He is weeding out the people who won’t fall in line.

Secondly, you’re a bit naive if you think the only way to have a coup is to declare yourself supreme ruler and refuse to hold “elections”.

The Russian president has shown us how to have a democratic dictatorship.
Again, a false equivalency. Russia NEVER had democracy, as defined by the American constitution. Take away America’s right to vote, and you are all but starting a second (not so) civil war.
I used to be Long n Left :roll:
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SWIM wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 11:34 am
Renegade7 wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 11:30 am
I can dig it...

https://apnews.com/article/doge-elon-mu ... 9510f2a43c

WASHINGTON (AP) — More than 20 civil service employees resigned Tuesday from billionaire Trump adviser Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency, saying they were refusing to use their technical expertise to “dismantle critical public services.”

“We swore to serve the American people and uphold our oath to the Constitution across presidential administrations,” the 21 staffers wrote in a joint resignation letter, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press. “However, it has become clear that we can no longer honor those commitments.”
So yes, @NotasLong StillLeft the rank and file will fall in line because people who won’t will have already left.
Not what I was saying at all, and I think you know that. Civil servants are a far cry from police and military.
I used to be Long n Left :roll:
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