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[skinsinparadise]

What about TE? This appears to be a pretty good TE class. Not as good as 23 but definitely better than last year. I like Sinnott's upside but ultimately he didn't do much of anything his rookie year.

I expect Warren will be long gone. But I think there is a shot Loveland is there at 29 and depending on who else is there Id strongly consider him. Hes a stronger prospect IMO than Sinnott.

I liked Sinnott last year but one of my points about him predraft was he wasnt a natural seperator. I said Bowers was the best TE I ever watched. Some of my takes have aged well, some not. That one clearly is aging well. Laporta was one of my guys back in the day.

Not that Loveland is as good as either player. But like those 2 he can quickly seperate in short space. Good YAC player. Good enough blocker. I think he can be one of those rare TEs who hit the ground running.

[skinsinparadise]

@skinsinparadise man, I been hoping you'd show up! Sure, I have a long list of peeps that sentiment includes, but you are a top ten pick in the first round.

Thanks. Good to be back. i missed this place. Especially the draft thread. Ive been compiling lots of metrics on many players and have started watching some too but just getting started on that front. But no one in my circle of sports friends cares one whit about making deep dives into the draft so its been a lonely process for me.

So its great to share with people who care. And i am very interested in what others here say, too. Even when I disagree I dig the insight, effort and interest from others about a topic I love.

I am on the road right now but will be back shortly and Ill post some of the stats I’ve compiled especially at RB. My early obsession is RB in this draft albiet my top desire is to build the trenches. But RB looks historically special and its a clear need.

[mhd24]

What about TE? This appears to be a pretty good TE class. Not as good as 23 but definitely better than last year. I like Sinnott's upside but ultimately he didn't do much of anything his rookie year.

I expect Warren will be long gone. But I think there is a shot Loveland is there at 29 and depending on who else is there Id strongly consider him. Hes a stronger prospect IMO than Sinnott.

I liked Sinnott last year but one of my points about him predraft was he wasnt a natural seperator. I said Bowers was the best TE I ever watched. Some of my takes have aged well, some not. That one clearly is aging well. Laporta was one of my guys back in the day.

Not that Loveland is as good as either player. But like those 2 he can quickly seperate in short space. Good YAC player. Good enough blocker. I think he can be one of those rare TEs who hit the ground running.

Nice to see you too on this forum SIP! Glad that you, GC, and some others have found your way here. I joined another forum and KDawg is on that one.

I listened to Macshay's latest podcast and he said murmurs are that Warren is going very high, and Loveland will be not long thereafter. He also said Mason Taylor (Jason Taylor's kid) could sneak back end of the first round/early 2nd, and the TE from Miami will also be in that range.

Honestly, I could see Warren going as high as 4 to NE (if they sign a viable LT like Alaric Jackson or Ronnie Stanley in FA). I still figure they will go OL though. Warren is falling past the Jets at 7 IMO. They have a clear need at TE, Glenn comes from a team that had an awesome TE, and they will go BPA IMO.

Loveland's floor is probably Indy at 14 (assuming that Warren goes earlier).

[skinsinparadise]

What about TE? This appears to be a pretty good TE class. Not as good as 23 but definitely better than last year. I like Sinnott's upside but ultimately he didn't do much of anything his rookie year.

I expect Warren will be long gone. But I think there is a shot Loveland is there at 29 and depending on who else is there Id strongly consider him. Hes a stronger prospect IMO than Sinnott.

I liked Sinnott last year but one of my points about him predraft was he wasnt a natural seperator. I said Bowers was the best TE I ever watched. Some of my takes have aged well, some not. That one clearly is aging well. Laporta was one of my guys back in the day.

Not that Loveland is as good as either player. But like those 2 he can quickly seperate in short space. Good YAC player. Good enough blocker. I think he can be one of those rare TEs who hit the ground running.

Nice to see you too on this forum SIP! Glad that you, GC, and some others have found your way here. I joined another forum and KDawg is on that one.

I listened to Macshay's latest podcast and he said murmurs are that Warren is going very high, and Loveland will be not long thereafter. He also said Mason Taylor (Jason Taylor's kid) could sneak back end of the first round/early 2nd, and the TE from Miami will also be in that range.

Honestly, I could see Warren going as high as 4 to NE (if they sign a viable LT like Alaric Jackson or Ronnie Stanley in FA). I still figure they will go OL though. Warren is falling past the Jets at 7 IMO. They have a clear need at TE, Glenn comes from a team that had an awesome TE, and they will go BPA IMO.

Loveland's floor is probably Indy at 14 (assuming that Warren goes earlier).

yeah id be surprised if Loveland made it to 29. Deep draft at TE but ive only watched so far the top 2.

Judging by mocks, which especially this early is iffy at best, Josh Conerly, who I haven’t watched yet, intrigues me profile wise. Simmons and Banks too but guessing they are gone. It doesnt look like a deep draft for O line so in theory get one early.

D line in theory I prefer the bigger boys who can set the edge. I expect Stewart, M. Williams to be gone. So Scourton, Landon Jackson, Sawyer intrigue me albiet i need to do a much deeper dive into all of them.

DT looks sneaky good in theory in this draft and I think its a sneaky need. Payne at 20 plus million is arguably our most overpaid player and it makes his money sign sack dance during his career year when his contract was up look even more gross in retrospect. Jonathan Allen is a try hard leader but he doesnt make enough of an impact to IMO justify his salary.

Although DT is pretty good in FA.

I’ve spent most of my time watching RBs so far. And my gut is some of the media including Logan Paulsen are wrong that the sweet spot is the third round. Dont get me wrong, it might end up true. But I dont think we can count on it in advance. I suspect a bunch go in the 2nd. So late 2nd in theory for me feels right. Was listening to Keim’s podcast with Jordan Reid from ESPN and he also though 2nd might be the sweet spot.

With Jayden’s legs as a threat, adding a great RB would likely make this running game and in turn offense unstoppable. If the idea is to beat the Eagles, IMO a running game is key. Their pass rush and secondary is too good to beat them by being a one dimensional passing team. Use RPOs and RO to freeze defenders and make it more effective by them not just worrying about Jayden carrying the ball. If they cue in on Jayden make them pay. Thats why Sampson or Henderson especially intrigue me. One cut and they can be gone.


RJ Harvey’s combine intrigues me big time. He looks fast but not quite sure how fast. Sometimes defenders chase him down. He is explosive but my one pause about him is he loves to circle to the edges as almost a default move if he doesnt see a crease inside and that style doesnt always translate to the pros. But hes a fun watch. Really good contact balance. Breaks tackles. Can get skinny in the hole if he chooses to do so. Decent hands. Potential gadget player because he played QB for years. High intangibles.

Skattebo screams being a Dan Quinn type of player sans Skattebo’s arrogance. Hes likely still there in the third round too. he strikes me as a rich man’’s Chris Rodriguez combined with hands like Ekelers. A dude you want to go to war with. Very emotional player with a lot of fight in him.

One of the reasons Brian Robinson lost me wasnt just his lack of production but also he didnt IMO play with the same zest. As an example, I can think of a play against Dallas where Robinson caught a screen and just ran out of bounds versus fighting for extra yards upfield when he saw a defender beating down on him.

His odd trash talking against the Eagles considering how poorly he played against them turned me off, too. Ditto recently telling a Lions player on social media that “its our turn” not theirs to go to the SB next year. I am not big on arrogance and trash talking but what earned Brian Robinson being the team’s trash talker?

Lol now Skattebo is a trash talker too but at least he backs it up. Power runner, tone setter, who enjoys overpowering dudes. A bowling ball of a runner with a low center of gravity with good contact balance. But he doesnt look fast. I am guessing similar speed to Rodriguez. But I dont rule him out as a possibility because of his hands. Very good pass catcher and a handful to tackle when he catches in space. Can run routes, too.

I like his brashness/attitude as a player and I think he’d be a tone setter especially in the post season. If in the passing game he wasnt anything special id rule him out for this team. And am obsessed with speed at this spot. But Id make an exception for Skattebo. And I am guessing his ability to be a dual threat - running and passing might put him in play here.

The main problem with Brian Robinson isnt that he’s a power back but IMO the issue is he’s a JAG power back. Again I prefer speed. But if they took Skattebo i’d get it.

[zSkins]

Thanks. Good to be back. i missed this place.

A week ago I was searching for you on X to tell you about this site. I could swear you had an account on there lol

I think we all missed you. I have always liked your analysis and insight.

There are still some out there who don't know yet about this forum, but I am really glad you found this place though.

As for running backs, we need someone with vision. BRob is one dimensional. You are not always going to have holes and sometime you have to create them. He can't or wants to. An upgrade on our OL should also be able to create holes but we still need someone with not only great speed but vision as well. Who in your mind fits that? Is it Hampton?

[skinsinparadise]

Thanks. Good to be back. i missed this place.

A week ago I was searching for you on X to tell you about this site. I could swear you had an account on there lol

I think we all missed you. I have always liked your analysis and insight.

There are still some out there who don't know yet about this forum, but I am really glad you found this place though.

As for running backs, we need someone with vision. BRob is one dimensional. You are not always going to have holes and sometime you have to create them. He can't or wants to. An upgrade on our OL should also be able to create holes but we still need someone with not only great speed but vision as well. Who in your mind fits that? Is it Hampton?

Thanks ive been every now and then looking to see if the site returned and finally the other day noticed that it did.

As for vision specifically I got to think about it some. Off the top of my head Hampton and Kaleb Johnson strike me as having great vision. Giddens zigs and zags through traffic and strikes me as having great vision but I wish he had breakaway speed. I am about to hit the road but ill do a deeper dive on the RBs this week.

i am fascinated to see what Hampton and Kaleb run considering to my eyes for big dudes both can run. Unless they time poorly I think both are gone by the early 2nd.

[DWinzit]

I expect Warren will be long gone. But I think there is a shot Loveland is there at 29 and depending on who else is there Id strongly consider him. Hes a stronger prospect IMO than Sinnott.

I liked Sinnott last year but one of my points about him predraft was he wasnt a natural seperator. I said Bowers was the best TE I ever watched. Some of my takes have aged well, some not. That one clearly is aging well. Laporta was one of my guys back in the day.

Not that Loveland is as good as either player. But like those 2 he can quickly seperate in short space. Good YAC player. Good enough blocker. I think he can be one of those rare TEs who hit the ground running.

Nice to see you too on this forum SIP! Glad that you, GC, and some others have found your way here. I joined another forum and KDawg is on that one.

I listened to Macshay's latest podcast and he said murmurs are that Warren is going very high, and Loveland will be not long thereafter. He also said Mason Taylor (Jason Taylor's kid) could sneak back end of the first round/early 2nd, and the TE from Miami will also be in that range.

Honestly, I could see Warren going as high as 4 to NE (if they sign a viable LT like Alaric Jackson or Ronnie Stanley in FA). I still figure they will go OL though. Warren is falling past the Jets at 7 IMO. They have a clear need at TE, Glenn comes from a team that had an awesome TE, and they will go BPA IMO.

Loveland's floor is probably Indy at 14 (assuming that Warren goes earlier).

yeah id be surprised if Loveland made it to 29. Deep draft at TE but ive only watched so far the top 2.

Judging by mocks, which especially this early is iffy at best, Josh Conerly, who I haven’t watched yet, intrigues me profile wise. Simmons and Banks too but guessing they are gone. It doesnt look like a deep draft for O line so in theory get one early.

D line in theory I prefer the bigger boys who can set the edge. I expect Stewart, M. Williams to be gone. So Scourton, Landon Jackson, Sawyer intrigue me albiet i need to do a much deeper dive into all of them.

DT looks sneaky good in theory in this draft and I think its a sneaky need. Payne at 20 plus million is arguably our most overpaid player and it makes his money sign sack dance during his career year when his contract was up look even more gross in retrospect. Jonathan Allen is a try hard leader but he doesnt make enough of an impact to IMO justify his salary.

Although DT is pretty good in FA.

I’ve spent most of my time watching RBs so far. And my gut is some of the media including Logan Paulsen are wrong that the sweet spot is the third round. Dont get me wrong, it might end up true. But I dont think we can count on it in advance. I suspect a bunch go in the 2nd. So late 2nd in theory for me feels right. Was listening to Keim’s podcast with Jordan Reid from ESPN and he also though 2nd might be the sweet spot.

With Jayden’s legs as a threat, adding a great RB would likely make this running game and in turn offense unstoppable. If the idea is to beat the Eagles, IMO a running game is key. Their pass rush and secondary is too good to beat them by being a one dimensional passing team. Use RPOs and RO to freeze defenders and make it more effective by them not just worrying about Jayden carrying the ball. If they cue in on Jayden make them pay. Thats why Sampson or Henderson especially intrigue me. One cut and they can be gone.


RJ Harvey’s combine intrigues me big time. He looks fast but not quite sure how fast. Sometimes defenders chase him down. He is explosive but my one pause about him is he loves to circle to the edges as almost a default move if he doesnt see a crease inside and that style doesnt always translate to the pros. But hes a fun watch. Really good contact balance. Breaks tackles. Can get skinny in the hole if he chooses to do so. Decent hands. Potential gadget player because he played QB for years. High intangibles.

Skattebo screams being a Dan Quinn type of player sans Skattebo’s arrogance. Hes likely still there in the third round too. he strikes me as a rich man’’s Chris Rodriguez combined with hands like Ekelers. A dude you want to go to war with. Very emotional player with a lot of fight in him.

One of the reasons Brian Robinson lost me wasnt just his lack of production but also he didnt IMO play with the same zest. As an example, I can think of a play against Dallas where Robinson caught a screen and just ran out of bounds versus fighting for extra yards upfield when he saw a defender beating down on him.

His odd trash talking against the Eagles considering how poorly he played against them turned me off, too. Ditto recently telling a Lions player on social media that “its our turn” not theirs to go to the SB next year. I am not big on arrogance and trash talking but what earned Brian Robinson being the team’s trash talker?

Lol now Skattebo is a trash talker too but at least he backs it up. Power runner, tone setter, who enjoys overpowering dudes. A bowling ball of a runner with a low center of gravity with good contact balance. But he doesnt look fast. I am guessing similar speed to Rodriguez. But I dont rule him out as a possibility because of his hands. Very good pass catcher and a handful to tackle when he catches in space. Can run routes, too.

I like his brashness/attitude as a player and I think he’d be a tone setter especially in the post season. If in the passing game he wasnt anything special id rule him out for this team. And am obsessed with speed at this spot. But Id make an exception for Skattebo. And I am guessing his ability to be a dual threat - running and passing might put him in play here.

The main problem with Brian Robinson isnt that he’s a power back but IMO the issue is he’s a JAG power back. Again I prefer speed. But if they took Skattebo i’d get it.

As fun as Skattebo is, he feels too slow to me. Like you have preached in the past, this year I'd really like them to look heavily at big YAC players.

RB is in need of upgrade. With such a strong RB class it would be a Ron type move not to take advantage and draft one. Hopefully the dip in no later than the 4th round but day 2 is the best window.

Offensively I we need a T whether it is ones to take over Colemans left side or what I think they will look for is a guy that can start on the right side. I don't want Wylie out on the edge anymore. Move inside if you must and he can backup out there. I also want competition brought to the inside group. Then of course we need a WR2.

You have always been a great study of TE's. I am interested to hear your take on our TE room. Bates is a really good and needed blocker. Sinnott was everyone's big draft pick disappointment. It was expected that he would be a used a lot, lining up all over including in the backfield. Ertz played incredibly well and made a real connection with JD. If they do resign Ertz, they would almost need to keep the group unchanged. It is kind of ho-hum with no YAC guy. I don't see them drafting a TE early because they'd need them to play right off the bat and be able to both block well and become JD's best friend.

[Simmsy]

I love that this is coming back, a lot of people don't understand that there are two sides to this forum: the football stuff and everything else. Both different, but both equally important to the site's identity. Welcome back!